Human illustrations for the purpose of narrative go back 50k years. In 1842 the actual term cartoon pops up. Manga began as translations of American comics in 1920.
Mangaka from the 90s did not invent 99% of the shit we see. Shit like this is just pure ignorance.
When we get the full page translated the conclusion is probably going to be that it's just referring to them fighting in Isshiki's dimension. Or some bs like that.
It doesn't make sense for Isshiki to be 4 or 5D anyway. When he's trying to reach Shibai who is a 4D god.
So I did some research and from what I can tell Super-dimensional has no basis in physics or the English language.
Best I could find was a guy saying the kanji can be translated to other things that have to do with higher dimensional. So it probably means that. Which is stupid
衝突する超次元の力 (chōjigen) - “Clash of Super-Dimensional Powers.”
The data book page focuses on:
Naruto & Sasuke
vs
Jigen / Isshiki Ōtsutsuki
Specifically:
Isshiki’s space-time abilities
Daikokuten/Sukunahikona mechanics
dimension traversal
chakra sensing across dimensions.
Key statement on the left
The important paragraph says something close to:
“Because he possesses Byakugan capable of perceiving chakra,
Jigen detects Sasuke who entered through (“Yomotsu Hirasaka.”)
Meaning: Sasuke crossed dimensions using his space-time ninjutsu.
Jigen could still perceive him.
This also implies chakra sensing works across dimensional barriers for top-tier Ōtsutsuki.
The databook is NOT outright saying that “Isshiki is infinitely higher-dimensional” Rather it is saying:
these realms are treated as separate dimensions/spacetimes,
and their powers transcend ordinary spatial interaction.
That supports:
Kaguya’s dimensions being genuine space-time continuums,
Ōtsutsuki abilities manipulating dimensional structure,
Naruto top tiers interacting with extradimensional spaces.
In terms of Scaling… This Just Confirms that Naruto & Sasuke are;
-Large Planetary to Star level
-Massively FTL reactions/combat speeds.
-Strong space-time/dimensional interaction scaling.
@ThickCalvesSage@ollywams19186 Isn't it just 3 tomoe Shisui ~ 3 tomoe Itachi (from storm generations)..
Then Itachi goes on to have a thousand suffering amps from the massacre and has longer to master his mangekyo abbillties?
Who do people think Luffy is man.
Even if we say Luffy can punch away a planet and is 100 times ftl or whatever.
Madara is still much stronger and faster. And even if Luffy was slightly stronger. Madara can attack from another universe, power null, mind hax etc. It's not fair
@SaintFuego@WindowLife_ He says you can't see the speed of light you need observation haki. Then brings up Kizaru. It's the 3d2y special that Oda directly approved
@TomaticBoy@7minus1@Klemen2019 Yeah this happens with Urashiki passing constellations in the anime. And an arc later we have a chase scene in a desert with the same guy lmao.
@7minus1@Klemen2019 I get what you mean but honestly most of these issues stem from people not wanting Naruto to be that strong. You could show it and they would still try to rat around it.
@Jvkhte The people with the anti feats generally don't scale to this tier of power. But I will give you that the manga is not great at showcasing how insanely fast and strong these characters are.
@7minus1@Klemen2019 I'm speaking in general. In Naruto specifically it probably would have been better if Naruto and co went to a different dimension. Then the ball came smashing through as it had engulfed the first dimension entirely. However I think the statements still suffice.
@WindowLife_ Anyway I really don't care to discuss this further. So have a good rest of your day.
I'm not gonna read anything else so don't waste your breath
@WindowLife_ As for Oda conveying he directly approves a movie where Rayleigh says Luffy needs observation haki to start reacting to light. Pretty clear.