Dude, if you can't be bothered to watch my nine part, 1 hour per episode, YouTube series entitled "Me explaining what you couldn't possibly understand otherwise," that devastates all of your arguments, before responding, then clearly you know I'm right.
@Svigel (I know people who never really read the bible straight through disagree--they miss "the bible" and theologians pick the 5% of the bible they've heard and the .05% they quote. So it seems "the bible said" their theology. Those verses, maybe, or maybe not, but not "the bible.")
@Svigel Thus Christianity was formed and made. It was always so. The gap between the bible and Christianity has only grown since there was a bible. Theology and theologians are the only path to Christianity, only way to arrive there, and it's only path forward at this point.
@tracewoodgrains The polls have spoken here. I know conservative Christians who aren't bothered by gayness--gay marriage, for instance, doesn't get them going. "Trans?" Different thing. Anti-gay is not an issue that motivates the right demographic and can cost votes.
@NickMCThree@tenobrus I mean if we kind of start from the "strings of words that make sense come from consciousness" idea, we think "it's hard to say." But I think the point is that we don't say, "Wow Deep Analysis And Insight=Conscious." We say "language that makes sense to us"=conscious.
@JoshuaLWatson Jesus spoke with a successful Maccabean revolt in memory (messianic-like deliverance), more recent than our American Revolution to us. And memory of a more recent fall to unassailable Rome. Complicated everything, including "messiah". I think he offered situational-wisdom.
@coconservative7 "Bible standards" steadily changed for Southern Baptists since WW II. Women's dress in public, the beach, at church. Long hair, tattoos on men. Interracial marriage, segregation. De-emphasizing divorce, drinking. "The devil's music". Women pastors? Relax. Just one more thing.
@AdonaiOnGaia Because it depends on ignorant immersion in one "religion" (like Buddhism or, here, Christianity) and even specific sects/denominations within it. A person simply aware of the broader world, history of faith, even the breadth of Christianity, can't mentally model it this way.
@WriterJohnBuck@Ruesavatar Woah. This was the early gift of Social Media, largely gone now, people just sayin' stuff they think, that's been fine in their local group/family/culture, out loud.
@PrimeVideo I think people will like it but it's not as fun/funny/meaningful as the product it was launched from. A real letdown if, for instance, you watch the two Spider-Man movies where cage first voiced this character beforehand. Have to take it as its own thing.
@JoshuaLWatson@brechtfavre The tiresome part is avoidance of logic/moral reason because God Authority (Bible Authority). So as you say theology/history/goal shapes words in the bible into a conclusion used as though there is no objective morality or conscience or logic--just "God said" and go.
@JoanBandy Salvation is least clear given that Jesus doesn't project what we learn from Paul. But yeah, translation, among other things makes "clear reading" mean specific wording in translation. I mean the end of Matthew 25, Jesus quoting God on salvation, is clear, but not for Baptists.
@m966021 I think it's reasonable so I won't try to change your mind. However you can't show it's true. Every time you will depend on something the mob (group agreement) backs you on. Torture puppies for fun? Somebody argues, "if it meant Global Peace, yes," and people yell at them.
@matt_olma I am not disputing that. I am saying that starting from moral realism makes no difference because as soon as you take the car off the blocks and drive it somewhere where there is a moral crossroads, you're in relativism land. Every. Single. Time. No one escapes.
@matt_olma I think moral realism is the default position. 1)Because most seem to agree (funny how often "objective morality" depends on examples the mob will penalize you for disagreeing with), and 2) it only applies to a car on blocks. The second rubber hits road, it's all relative anyway.
@DaveRemboldt@JoshuaLWatson@BrandonDeRousse@BanjoAtheist This is the very common thing where people quote the brochure like it's the destination. Christian is as Christian does. The brochure is a whole other thing. The brochure is for Outsiders but as an Insider you know you're not really beholden to it.
@JoshuaLWatson@jdoyleDoyle1 I feel like Christian apologetics kind of answers you. Not that there's sacrifice. I mean such Christians seem to sense there's no there there and have given up demonstrating good, showing sacrifice, where they've "taken up the cross," and have lowered the bar to being "right."
@TheMuppetPastor@ThoughtfulCafe@Protestia We get such obfuscations forcing what we want when it clearly doesn't add up. We accuse those who simply see, otherwise, of blindness. The person who can't follow the labyrinthian explanation is being difficult. What's weird is not learning something from working this hard.
@Orchidoptera@RachelXReads Now you're talking. If you attended those denominations churches you would hear lots of Bible quoted and get the impression that if you read the Bible you could arrive at that denomination. This isn't even close to true. You wouldn't know to select that 1% of the verses.