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@Khan2535181 @gimoxtweets @starisborn001 Totally. That's exactly what I'm saying. If muhammad's actions are explained by the standards of 7th century Arabia and shouldn't necessarily be copied today, then don't present him as the perfect role model for the 21st century. Easy, right?

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@Khan2535181 @_solokimi So your position is:
1. Muhammad's actions were acceptable for 7th century Arabia.
2. They should not necessarily be copied today.
Then you've already abandoned the claim that he is the perfect moral example for all people and all times. And that's all there is to it.

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@Khan2535181 @_solokimi So you agree, by modern standards muhammad was a pedophile. That's all I needed. And also, if his actions only make sense by the standards of his time, he cannot be the perfect moral example for all of humanity across all time. You need higher standards.

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@gimoxtweets @starisborn001 You said no. So marrying a 6 year old and consummating at 9 with a 53 year old man is not pedophilia? What do you call it then?

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@RadhikaBarman5 Oh no. Respectfully disagree. He doesn't belong to all. And such a person certainly can't be my idol. If you want to fight for him, go ahead.

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@gimoxtweets Then why do you call us islamophobes? We're just jealous of your cult, you know?

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@Khan2535181 @_solokimi I don't consider them gods. They're just stories. And don't deflect. Can't you answer directly, was Muhammad a pedophile?

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@Khan2535181 @_solokimi I take this as a yes. We both agree, muhammad was a pedophile. Thanks.

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@gimoxtweets @starisborn001 Mythological, yes. I don't consider him god. And yes, I agree. Now, answer. Was muhammad pedophile?

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@gimoxtweets @starisborn001 But you agree that muhammad was a pedophile right?

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@ironmanxtaha @_solokimi So, is it moral according to you?

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@Khan2535181 @_solokimi So you agree Muhammad was a pedophile, then?

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@teamzyraxis @iamsum80 Also. Islam's growth is driven primarily by demographics and birth rates, not by mass conversions. Two very different things.

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@teamzyraxis @iamsum80 Sahih al bukhari 6922 and sunan an nasai 4059 contain commands such as "Whoever changes his religion, kill him," and several countries still have apostasy laws.

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@sweetie_rt You're presenting evidence for Buddhism spreading beyond India. Afghanistan, Iran, Greek influenced statues, and oral transmission don't tell us where Buddhism began. They only tell us where it spread and how it evolved. Give us a positive evidence for another place of origin?

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@wazir_khal96582 @DoctorPatr1ck @reze43 @abdullahha88073 @yes_its_me_SA My God, this is tough. I really have to spell it out for you, don't I? You started with "you abandoned your ancestors beliefs" as if abandoning them was the problem. Now you're saying abandoning them is perfectly fine if you think the new belief is better. Do you see it now?

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@wazir_khal96582 @DoctorPatr1ck @reze43 @abdullahha88073 @yes_its_me_SA You've changed the argument. We went from "atheists submit to society" to "where does morality come from?" You did not provide an evidece for the original argument you did. And the alternatives aren't just god or society. That's another false dichotomy.

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@wazir_khal96582 @DoctorPatr1ck @reze43 @abdullahha88073 @yes_its_me_SA Let me make it simple for you, because I don't think you get it. I don't care what you believe or why you believe it. You can believe in a flying donkey for all I care. I'm just glad you could pinpoint the flaw in your own argument.

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@wazir_khal96582 @DoctorPatr1ck @reze43 @abdullahha88073 @yes_its_me_SA I really don't care what you or your ancestors did, nor do I care about the traditional story you shared. But it's good that you saw the silliness of your own argument and ended up countering it. Ancestors matter when criticizing others, but suddenly don't when they're your own?

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@wazir_khal96582 @DoctorPatr1ck @reze43 @abdullahha88073 @yes_its_me_SA You've never established why not submitting to allah means submitting to society. That's a false dichotomy. Many atheists reject social norms, criticize society, and challenge authority. Living in a society isn't the same as submitting to it. Your assertion isn't an argument.

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@wazir_khal96582 @DoctorPatr1ck @reze43 @abdullahha88073 @yes_its_me_SA You've also assumed that atheists get their morality from society. Why? Plenty of atheists reject social norms and criticize society. Simply living in a society doesn't mean deriving your morality from it.