@manguydudeisme@Acts17David@dawahxdialogues Islam is not meant to be something “new” theologically.
It’s meant to course-correct on the message God has continuously sent.
The only “new” things would be specific shariah, and each community had their own.
I don’t see either of those as problems.
@manguydudeisme@Acts17David@dawahxdialogues I’ll stick to objective standards and guidelines rather than subjective modern thought, which is ever changing.
Don’t strawman, the efficacy of modern medicine has nothing to do with the moral questions we’re discussing.
@manguydudeisme@Acts17David@dawahxdialogues Don’t assume how I came to my conclusion please.
Many reasons why I believe Islam to be true, and many reasons why i believe Christianity to be false
Post hoc fallacy
@TommyCandlish@dawahxdialogues How am I making an argument from absence?
Anyways you’re doing an internal critique therefore you must accept the corpus itself, which mentions Aisha was developed and considered a woman.
@TommyCandlish@dawahxdialogues A study about medieval England showing the average age of puberty is comparable to modern times, but menstruation occurred later, surely is a strong point of evidence for you! 🔥😱
Buddy you don’t understand what an average is.
@manguydudeisme@Acts17David@dawahxdialogues Reason, human ability to empathize, and moral/social attitudes didn’t exist for the past thousands of years?
Or is it just “modern = correct”?
@TommyCandlish@dawahxdialogues Logic is difficult for you huh? No, cannibalism was a known ill at that time. Young marriage was an ongoing practice.
Not analogous.
Btw the Bible does mention catabolism in negative terms.
Once again, begging the question. What does Jesus define as a child?
@manguydudeisme@Acts17David@dawahxdialogues It not being the average age isn’t really relevant.
No, they were not condemned on moral sin grounds. You again made that up.
No, it didn’t disallow age gaps, you again made that up.
Fact is it was allowed for 1000+ years under the guidance of your Holy Spirit.
@mak1221383@Acts17David@dawahxdialogues And don’t get me started on what your God commands in the Old Testament. Why do you guys try so desperately to run away from your history and scripture?
@mak1221383@Acts17David@dawahxdialogues Idk if you’re just a bot or incapable of reading, but he explicitly says girls UNDER 12 can be married to, as long as they reached the “required perfection”.
No, he never says it’s only with “similar aged” spouses. That’s your cope.
You’re shooting the entire church history
@manguydudeisme@Acts17David@dawahxdialogues You just lied. No, he doesn’t say it’s for similar age.
No, nowhere in the bible or his writings does it say large age gaps are immoral.
Where do you get your morals from?
@mak1221383@Acts17David@dawahxdialogues This was the position of the Church as a whole for 1000+ years, until modern liberal pressures compelled them to make a change.
If you want to argue the Holy Spirit watched as the Church allowed pedophilia for 1000+ years, go ahead.
@mak1221383@Acts17David@dawahxdialogues Idk what you mean by “advocating” but he did allow marriage to take place with those even under the ages of 12, as he explicitly states.
Yes, it’s based on his (and humanity as a whole, for thousands of years) understanding of maturity.
@TommyCandlish@dawahxdialogues No one is arguing every 9yo ever in that time was pubescent.
Just as Aquinas argues that the general minimum is 12, but there are cases where people can reach the required perfection before that age.
It’s a case by case basis
@TommyCandlish@dawahxdialogues You’re simply assuming your conclusion…
What did he see as “children” and what did he see as “able to be married”?
A 9 year old in that part of the world can be pubescent and this is inarguable.
Your logic is awful