The Spiritual Sun

TO BE-TO UNDERSTAND-TO SERVE
Taking Gurdjieff Seriously

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If you find yourself unaccountably attracted to the concept of practical-work-on-self feel free to DM us.

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@AcademicAgent_X I decided to blow on my pour-over coffee grounds a few weeks ago, before adding water to them. I have no idea what I was trying to accomplish.

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@BenjaminABoyce I hope they both lose.

There are two types of liberal. Avoid both of them.

Etc...

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Did you not listen to the Mars Volta? That was the last real development in rock music before the great enshitification set in).

Also the latter heyday of the WARP electronic scene. It's the 2010s that really sucked, but it was drying up by the mid 00's - not just in terms of crossover talent but just in terms of hyper-real repetition / revival. Even genres like vaporwave kind of openly "embraced" this.

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@stonetoss Yes. We run it. DM if interested.

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@AcademicAgent_X I got one of those for my birthday

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@GreeneMan6 Not only does he not understand his target's beliefs, he doesn't understand his target's *target audience*. Hint: it's not him.

I hope the conflict is an aggregate good for refining some understanding at least.

To me, we are past that and it's more about vanguardism now.

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@AcademicAgent_X DEVO

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@AcademicAgent_X Chauvanism acts as a placeholder for the aristocracy that the Right ought to be.

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@Panagiotou90St Who cares. It doesn't work.

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@AcademicAgent_X Yes. That firmware is too deep to be shifted now. But they can be very "based" with some of their situational takes (usually forgotten the next day).

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When people of a more libertarian bent all suddenly come out together and parse the question of "what people do in private" (and in principle, they are right) this reveals ethics that are just as opportunistic and instrumental as anything you are criticizing here. If this principle was important to them, they'd have front run it, not waited for an external stimulus.

The defense / criticism I've seen of Greenwald has been of a mixed quality. I've seen a lot of total rejection. I've seen some mixed takes. I've seen some that tell people to ignore his private life entirely. Obviously those are flat wrong.

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@DisaffectedPod Liberalism isn't really in a transcendent position relative to other modern (usually "academic") hatchet ideologies like Marxism, Feminism, Queer theory, Fascism etc...

It was actually the ancestor of them all.

It set the table for Woke-Scientism ("Humanitarian Rationalism").

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@DisaffectedPod It takes more courage to interrogate liberalism than to use it as a "reasonable" fallback position.

Everything Liberalism wants has to be created by a more fundamental spirituality, effort, discipline - constraints. These things are superficially at odds with reified "liberty".

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@Semiogogue The stream of jibber jabber that goes on internally =/= "consciousness". Something deeper and more fundamental is listening to it. That's where the interesting stuff is.

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@kbean511 @DisaffectedPod This is also true, I agree.

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@kbean511 @DisaffectedPod Effort is the answer. A willingness to suffer.

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@DisaffectedPod It's a necessary thing. And if you're really honest you'll see the same thing inside yourself.

Kakistocracy rules everything where there is no spiritual effort - wilful embrace of discomfort.

The first time I realized this, I felt sick for years. I'm "ok" with it now.

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@AcademicAgent_X "Remorse of conscience", according to Gurdjieff. Other qualities can be developed later when there's a foundation. Modern religions demand the finer qualities upfront which is why we get this inverted universalism.

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One can deliver a fine presentation alone, but being is manifested through activities such as interaction, communication, cooperation, reconciliation.

Being, imo, is the ability to struggle with one’s animal nature, the ability to act according to valuation of the situation, the ability to put oneself in other’s shoes and consider for others, the ability to endure according to one’s aim.

The most important of all is that ‘being’ is an self-initiated quality, its not something produced by social pressure, survival instincts or egoistical desires. There are people who are good at socializing, titillation, they’d avoid interacting activities when there are no above mentioned drives, thats when you can tell they might possess social skills or desires but not ‘being’. And there are people who dont always enjoy crowd or like to keep to themselves, but they are willing to communicate and interact out of necessary aim or reasonable need of others, that could be an indication of ‘being’.