@Fem1221@Vismondra1@Higa2778@dbs_10_10 Yeah, Piccolo mentioned that the Trunks who died to Cell was one who found a way to beat the Androids and was going back, but got got by Cell first.
The same Trunks we see in the epilogue of the Cell saga, except since he already knew of Cell, he didn’t get caught lacking.
@Higa2778@dbs_10_10 I’m gonna headcanon that this happened shortly after trunks left to that alternate timeline.
It lowkey does fit with what happened in the super dragon ball heroes anime as well.
@Sorhan_61 It seems like only Toei is interested in upscaling their power. Toriyama at most has threatened the solar system with Cells statement. Since then it doesn’t seem like he’s gone that far above. I wouldn’t be surprised if Toei upscaled the Moro explosion in the anime adaptation.
@Sezarax Whis even said at the end “you lied about going all out.” And Beerus replies with “so you knew?”
He probably just wanted to make Goku believe he had a chance and to draw out the full power of SSG.
It’s obvious with the recent manga chapters, Beerus still hasn’t gone all out.
@SebastinPortals Especially now that they removed the universe destroying waves/Godku’s healing factor lmao. Those were like the separating scenes between anime and movie, and the movie just did everything so much better.
@SebastinPortals Negativity gets more clicks. It’s how the internet functions nowadays. With all that said and done, they also heavily raised our expectations and they handled some scenes poorly. For me I’m okay with the series, but heavily prefer the movie version in the end.
@yanji1919@MonstrousBami “Even then I stand no chance”
Applies to both Vegito and SSG. Neither of them can defeat Beerus, this scene is not a good example to prove SSG is superior to fusion.
And again, I’m NOT saying it isn’t, I’m just saying it doesn’t prove it better than other scenes.
@campu_brian@MonstrousBami Insulting and dodging the question doesn’t make you smarter.
Did Super Saiyan God seriously have any better chance than Vegito would?
“Even then, I stand no chance” applies to both Fusion and the God form. Which is why it’s bad evidence.
@Tatsuya_RyuK@kaivhs_ Could still be.
The oracle fish doubled down that Goku AND Vegeta will eventually become Beerus’ rivals. They already surpassed him when fused.
@chb228895 I don’t think so, the clashes that sent those universe shattering waves were already shown unless they decided to change the order in which it happens, for example during the pushback against Beerus final attack. Tho that might just make it worse.
@woo_wuu55047@MonstrousBami I’m not saying it’s not, just that this isn’t good evidence since he had no idea how strong ssg would be when he made this statement. Comparing them after he felt or saw the God power would be more concrete.
@NKBHD@MonstrousBami Obviously I get that, but in universe it’s a weak argument.
What if the ssg form was only a 2x increase from ssj3? There was no way for Goku to know, nor could he sense Beerus’ full power.
I’m not saying ssg is weaker, just that this isn’t good evidence of that.