@MarNap11@Leopard24theWin Germany will be at the table when talking about Ukraine since it is Ukraine's greatest supporter.
It is Poland who will have to justify its' presence since it is no longer willing anything to contribute anything to Ukraine's security.
@MarNap11@Leopard24theWin Get off your high horse. Poland tries exploit Ukraine desperate situation and force them to trade high-edge drone technology against old, obsolete MiGs with no booking value. So much for "German economic nationalism".
@mackpl1981@Leopard24theWin At least the US could argue that it was providing Ukraine with crucial and much-sought after weapons and anti-air systems. Meanwhile Poland wants cutting edge drone technology in return for long-obsolete MiGs with no booking value... .
@dlperso@bauchat It would gain the experience that comes with building a next generation jet along with a fair share of the knowledge and technology that would be developed along the way.
@deaidua@NOELreports So Poland sent its' outdated equipment to Ukraine, stopped meaningful support for Ukraine years ago, and now even wants more reimbursement, while Germany who delivers new systems to Ukraine and partly finances the EPF, wants to help Ukraine instead. How the tables turnes.
@dlperso@bauchat The idea behind FVAS was that both countries would benefit equally and would be in a position to continue building fighter jets in the future with the expertise gained via the project. Not that one country would gain that all the expertise and value and the other gets nothing.
@PoloniumForAll@NOELreports That happens if one country stops meaningful support after the war is less than 1/4 done while the other steps up and becomes the most important supporter.
@dlperso@bauchat Sharing of technology was always the idea behind FCAS. Otherwise Germany wouldn't have agreed on joint financing and a higher purchase order that made the project only feasible in the first place. It is not like Dasault argued about details, they wanted to share nothing of value.
@dlperso@bauchat Well, we do know that the F16 has been effectively used by Ukraine against Russia, and that the F35 was able to deeply penetrate Iran despite the existence of Russian supplied radars and aa-systems. While India's Rafale performed not so impressively against Pakistan recently... .
@dlperso@bauchat So what compromise did France suggest? Because from what I've read, Dassault insisted on those unacceptable demands and Macron no longer has the political cloud to reign them in.
@dlperso@bauchat Yeah, but if you order now, you'd better buy the best systems available. Or do you really suggest that we should order the Rafale when there is a very real chance that we might have to defend Eastern Europe against Russia in a few years?