John

Meditation/nonmeditation, phrenic philosophy, omni-partisan, cosmological crypto, nonduality.

[Jody @Kalieezchild]

Why enlightenment seems so hard: how the folk theory of nondual enlightenment distracts you from your own nonconceptual awareness. https://t.co/7G3HDQu68U

[John @Tetrazphere1]

@kanair You'd be reducing consciousness to a facsimile of what can be produced, instead of it being able to subjectively experience.

You're starting point overlooks the essence of consciousness.

[John @Tetrazphere1]

@Justmouhamed That's the divine veil. If it were gone, nothing would be exciting or surprising.

From a more down to earth view, I think it's a blindspot in perspectives/epistemologies.

[John @Tetrazphere1]

If pure awareness spontaneously makes itself known, let it be simple.

Notice, don't grasp for more, let it end when it ends.

[John @Tetrazphere1]

@SimsYStuart Reminds me of how people interpret spiritual experiences (horizontal in gragh) through the stage (vertical) and symbolism of their cultural framework, as presented by Ken Wilber.

[John @Tetrazphere1]

Even during distraction and ignorance, nondual clarity pervades.

[John @Tetrazphere1]

@LionKimbro @MccardJoseph ...study reality. You can have people report their findings, just like how people report their findings when looking through a telescope.

Nondual realization is a common component of claiming that pure awareness is fundamental to reality.

This finding is also cross-cultural.

[John @Tetrazphere1]

@LionKimbro @MccardJoseph If the only verification accepted is through scientific objectivity, you end up filtering all reality through a 3rd-person epistemology. It will only see physical objects.

If 1st-person verification is accepted, then meditation (for example) can be a type of instrument to...

[John @Tetrazphere1]

@mmjukic One created the other, for a start.

Not to mention humans having qualitative subjective awareness.

[John @Tetrazphere1]

@a_musingcat Many people say it's outputing fluent Chinese.

[John @Tetrazphere1]

@ai_sentience Well, what's it trained on?

[John @Tetrazphere1]

You don't have to add anything.

[John @Tetrazphere1]

@DaveShapi Artifical inner monologue

[John @Tetrazphere1]

@MccardJoseph To both express and experience.

[starry deer crocodile @Ogmin]

Presence is realized by natural relaxation without fabrication. When one fabricates anything about Presence, one just creates an illusion and does not understand. Presence is not realized by seeking. It is realized by relaxing in equality beyond seeking.

~ Bangdzo Trul De

[John @Tetrazphere1]

@Vicky True, but what's ones relationship to the real without a belief system? Seems a belief system is the conduit itself to the real, and unavoidably spawns. At least for the dualistic mind.

[John @Tetrazphere1]

@jack The bang for the buck is extraordinary.

[John @Tetrazphere1]

@mattparlmer Dissociating with the dualistic to realize our actual nondual nature.

[John @Tetrazphere1]

@DrScotMSullivan Exactly, because science can *only* view reality from the third-person perspective.

[John @Tetrazphere1]

@JamesVghn As confused as we are it's amazing we're able to make good faith conceptual comprehensions, and even more amazing we're able to communicate with other separate selves & reach good faith understandings.

Surely wouldn't be possible if we didn't share the same ground of awareness.