MG NH

I had a very witty bio written, unfortunately it would take far beyond the 160 character limit of twitter Bios to fully express. Thus, know that I am but a man.

[MG NH @Torgmada]

Yeah Jesus would have mentioned that if there was any truth to Smith's 'revelation', Unless you say Jesus didn't have the authority to make the sort of eternal marriages you claim to exist under Mormon 'priesthood authority'.

Jesus also taught on marriage being between two people, and Joseph Smith felt the need to 'correct' (or 'clarify' or 'update' ) that teaching too.
And people still try to do that today. When some charismatic 'Christian' leader claims to get a 'new revelation' it's always tied to him having multiple women. Rich Tidwell is the most recent one.
You could argue that Jesus doesn't specifically forbid multiple marriages, which is true. However when he describes marriage it's only between one man and one woman. Further, Paul said that church leaders must be the husband of one wife, so Smith, Young and many others are disqualified from leading anything.
Accordingly, my friend, I encourage you to follow Jesus, not Joseph, and urge you not accept any attempts to explain away what Jesus said.

[MG NH @Torgmada]

Now you're believing in a Jesus that wasn't sufficient the first time around. Someone who couldn't protect his word. Someone who couldn't plan ahead. A different Jesus. A lesser Jesus.
The Bible does describe ongoing prophecy, but it's role is to give the specific, timely help that is warranted, consistent with what God has already revealed; not to re-write everything about God, eternity, and the afterlife.
"Heaven and Earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.' (Matthew 24:35)
You believe in a Jesus whose words pass away. There's a huge difference between ongoing personal prophecy meant to build up a person or a local church (Biblical), and what Smith did- changing all the teachings about God, this life, and the afterlife.
My friend I appreciate you sticking with me this long. I pray you are as innocent as a dove and as wise as a serpent! (Matthew 10:6)

[MG NH @Torgmada]

No, I don't think Jesus is lying. I think Smith contradicts Jesus. He didn't 'Elaborate' or 'Explain', he countered Jesus, and justified it by couching it as an 'explanation' or 'elaboration'
If a false prophet came along, how would he justify teaching differently than what Jesus said? How would he justify it? What tactics would he use?

[Darshak Rana ⚡️ @thedarshakrana]

The Woodpecker is the only proof that God really exists.

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[MG NH @Torgmada]

You're essentially saying Jesus changed his mind on things he spoke clearly about. But Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. (Hebrews 13:8).
Smith was 'updating' God's word; I think it's more likely Smith was a false prophet (which the Bible warns us about) than God his changed his mind.

[MG NH @Torgmada]

Ok, but your 'continuing relevation' on general matters applicable to all means what Jesus said isn't binding; so he's just a figure head. He's not really your Lord if what he said is subject to correction by men.
It seems we are in agreement, as far as you listen to Joseph Smith over Jesus.

[MG NH @Torgmada]

Are you aware of any of the effort Christendom has put into making sure the text we have today is a faithful transmission of what was first recorded? If you're going to claim the Word was transmitted to you incorrectly on any particular point, you need to bring proof. For your convenience, many modern Bibles translations are already annotated with the remaining questions. The potential issues don't amount to a hill of beans; they certainly don't come close to justifying Mormon attacks on the Bible's integrity through the ages.

[MG NH @Torgmada]

You seem to be saying Jesus gave Peter and subsequent church leaders the ability to override clear teachings of his (Jesus's). Do you agree with me then?

The Saducees in Mark 12 posed their question about eternal marriage! And Jesus said their question revealed they didn't know the scriptures or the power of God! If Eternal marriage was a thing, Jesus would have spoken about it here, not clearly rebuked the very concept of 'eternal marriage'!

You seem to be saying Joseph Smith did in fact have the authority to directly counter Jesus.

[MG NH @Torgmada]

Well, Jesus said marriage was for this life only, and Joseph Smith has you doing eternal marriage ceremonies in your temples.
You explain away Jesus' plain words by saying 'well Jesus meant no new marriages', but if that's what he meant, he would have said the first or the last marriage.

[MG NH @Torgmada]

@FatherChrisVor1 Well it's wrong, whatever it is, but does error prevent one from being saved? Can you rightly make a blanket statement that 'Members of this organization are automatically damned'?

[MG NH @Torgmada]

The LDS concept of 'infinite atonement' essentially means that the LDS god(s) don't respect the free will that God gave us. If someone decides they want nothing to do with God- and a great many make such a choice- then is it not just that God respects that decision? Why make you free, if your freedom ultimately doesn't matter? Why give you the opportunity to love Him, if your lack of love for Him doesn't ultimately matter?
Perhaps you say that that your god just allows infinite time for someone to change their mind; but the Bible- which you claim to respect - says that it is appointed for man to die once and then face judgement (Hebrews 9:27), and the dead are beyond our help (Luke 16:19-31).

[MG NH @Torgmada]

@TravelbytheCoin @PeacemakingSt @FatherChrisVor1 Wait, are you okay following deception because it's supernatural in origin? The Bible warns us against such things for good reason!

[MG NH @Torgmada]

@PeacemakingSt @FatherChrisVor1 You guys often believe Joseph Smith over Jesus Christ; but you have nice explanations as to why it is okay.

[MG NH @Torgmada]

@hankrsmith Hank, why are there warnings in the Bible against following false prophets and deceiving spirits?

[MG NH @Torgmada]

@flashbak71 @farmingandJesus You don't burn for attending an erronerous church, you burn for not trusting Jesus as your Lord and Savior! I'm curious what you mean by 'Gospel' now! (Of course it is better to join a church that errs as little as possible.)

[MG NH @Torgmada]

@farmingandJesus 3rd Sunday of every month.

[MG NH @Torgmada]

@BowTiedBroke 1032! Though I hope it's shallower for your sake.

[MG NH @Torgmada]

@BumpstockBarbie This is a translation issue specific to the NIV. I checked a few others just now and they talk about a shriveling thigh.

[MG NH @Torgmada]

In 1st Corinthians 14 v 27, Paul instructs the assembly not to speak in tongues unless an interpretation is provided. If the gift of tongues ONLY means miraculously speaking a language you don't know, then the speaking itself is the interpretation for the audience, and Paul's instruction is superfluous on it's face.
If, on the other hand, the speaker is talking in a heavenly language, then Paul's instructions make sense. Paul also tells them to be quiet if there is no interpretation. So, using what Paul wrote, you could call out charlatans without neglecting a gift of the Holy Spirit.