@zippohUpland @flagontheplay25@Barbaneth@simonmaechling Pfizer didn't "admit" anything. They never claimed to have tested protection against transmission. Early on, *everyone* said that effects on transmission were unknown... until months after the vaccine was rolled out and numerous post-market studies had proven reduced transmission
@AdrianThurlwell@JuliaHB1 You seem to misunderstand the timeline:
1. Pfizer's study didn't look at transmission
2. Everyone knew this & said effects on transmission were unknown
3. Post-market studies confirmed protection against transmission
4. Everyone began saying they protect against transmission
@LloydBraun9000@AmyBeePhoenix@dr_andrealove Exactly. What's your point @AmyBeePhoenix? Do you want supplements to have to undergo billion-dollar clinical trials so they can be FDA approved for safety & efficacy like pharmaceuticals, massively driving up prices? Or do you want them to be readily available and inexpensive?
@brianmckim@djsaltarelli@AliNeitzelMD Try again. That was during the pandemic and days before March 2020 shutdowns across the country. And why were hospitals snapping it up? They article tells you in the title and text: Trump was promoting it 🤦♂️
@CrusaderRacerX @sckpdx @St0rm124g3r@_w8wut_ @staystokedstay1 @OnlineTheGod@2003nicko@BikoB128716@RBiancoUS@mldavis7673 @henrydax38 And yet you won't say it... You just keep claiming you said it. What's your supposed timeline, buddy? What step am I gaslighting you with? Be specific, or just admit you're stalling and dodging. You're out of your league and don't want to admit you fall head over heels for turds.
@CrusaderRacerX @sckpdx @St0rm124g3r@_w8wut_ @staystokedstay1 @OnlineTheGod@2003nicko@BikoB128716@RBiancoUS@mldavis7673 @henrydax38 Yeah, that's your "get out of jail free" card. You claim gaslighting without ever pointing out which step supppsedly never occurred. Because if you were to do that, you'd be forced to face a retort that you're completely incapable of rebutting. So you stick to fantasy land.
@RBiancoUS A lot of people blame any health issues that happened any time after vaccination on the vaccine. That's the fallacy of "post hoc ergo propter hoc." The reality is that the vaccine is safe and vast numbers of people were not the same after dying of COVID, or getting long COVID.
Anti-vaxxers have been sharing a chart that compares Non-COVID-19 death rates in England by vax status ("Monthly age-standardised mortality rates by vaccination status").
They're trying to imply the vaccine kills through non-COVID causes. This is wrong for a number of reasons.
@CrusaderRacerX @sckpdx @St0rm124g3r@_w8wut_ @staystokedstay1 @OnlineTheGod@2003nicko@BikoB128716@RBiancoUS@mldavis7673 @henrydax38 You most certainly were not specific and did not go point by point. Everything in my timeline is perfectly accurate. Let me know which point you supposedly take issue with, and I'll back it up with copious receipts.
Oh, the irony, of you posting about sophistry and fallacy...
@RBiancoUS There was no "at the expense of the young." The vaccine had a favorable risk:benefit ratio in every age group. In the U.S. there have been over 2,000 pediatric COVID deaths and 9,000 cases of MIS-C, not to mention tens of thousands of hospitalizations. We vaccinate for far less.
@CrusaderRacerX @sckpdx @St0rm124g3r@_w8wut_ @staystokedstay1 @OnlineTheGod@2003nicko@BikoB128716@RBiancoUS@mldavis7673 @henrydax38 1. Pfizer's study didn't look at transmission
2. Everyone said effects on transmission were unknown
3. Post-market studies confirmed protection against transmission
4. Everyone began saying the vaccines protect against transmission (e.g. get vaccinated to protect grandma)
@CrusaderRacerX @sckpdx @St0rm124g3r@_w8wut_ @staystokedstay1 @OnlineTheGod@2003nicko@BikoB128716@RBiancoUS@mldavis7673 @henrydax38 Oh really? Exactly what step is "gaslighting," pray tell. Happy to disabuse you of your fantasies. Not that you're capable of learning something new or conceding you were mistaken. I think you love the flavor of turds just a little too much to embrace reality.
@_w8wut_@CrusaderRacerX @sckpdx @St0rm124g3r @staystokedstay1 @OnlineTheGod@2003nicko@BikoB128716@RBiancoUS@mldavis7673 @henrydax38 Yes, very minimal impact relative to the deadly reality of COVID itself. Ventilators often preceded death, but were not the cause... unless you want to pretend that asphyxiation without a ventilator was a magical alternative. Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
@CrusaderRacerX @sckpdx @St0rm124g3r@_w8wut_ @staystokedstay1 @OnlineTheGod@2003nicko@BikoB128716@RBiancoUS@mldavis7673 @henrydax38 The fact that PCR tests can remain positive for weeks after an infection doesn't change the fact that they're gving a positive result in response to *a real infection* that was present... just not an active infection. Your claim of a high false positive rate is a debunked turd.