@igolfandreadcxr@SixandLaura@_RL_W @DrTravisScott @JeffreyKanneMD So the big difference was just that EVALI had much more GI symptoms? This variations could be explained by many other causes, like the fact that vapers population is younger and GI in COVID happens more in young people, or just the characteristic of that early COVID strain.
Dear Doctors @DrTravisScott @JeffreyKanneMD
In October 2019 you reviewed several imaging of EVALI cases: https://t.co/SWdd7ggt81
Have anyone tested these samples from SARS-CoV-2? Do you have any plans to review them from a COVID point of view?
#EVALI#COVID19#pathologists
@_RL_W@igolfandreadcxr@SixandLaura @DrTravisScott @JeffreyKanneMD That vitamin E story is just fiction. It is as simple as undetected COVID just some months before it was discovered.
https://t.co/pbMCz9KT5q
@_RL_W@SixandLaura@igolfandreadcxr @DrTravisScott @JeffreyKanneMD EVALI was just early COVID. Probably a different strain, but just COVID. And it was affecting everyone, not only vapers.
@_RL_W@SixandLaura@igolfandreadcxr @DrTravisScott @JeffreyKanneMD I'm willing to know the difference between both diseases. Could please share with me a list of differences between COVID and EVALI? How can anyone make the difference of an EVALI patient and a COVID patient without knowing if she's a vaper?
@_RL_W@SixandLaura@igolfandreadcxr @DrTravisScott @JeffreyKanneMD We're talking about scientific studies, arguments, evidences and data. Nobody in this conversation is claiming any odd thing. EVALI being COVID is quite obvious and supported by strong arguments. The real weird stuff is that nobody is investigating it and testing samples.
@_RL_W@SixandLaura@igolfandreadcxr @DrTravisScott @JeffreyKanneMD If COVID caused EVALI then:
1. The government has been covering up.
2. Vapers and many people in 2019-early 2020 have died misdiagnosed.
3. The virus didn't started in Wuhan and we should look at Fort Detrick to investigate the origin.
4. Vaping industry shouldn't be banned.
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@igolfandreadcxr@SixandLaura@_RL_W @DrTravisScott @JeffreyKanneMD How can you compare EVALI epidemiology to COVID if the only data from EVALI was collected only from vapers as the assumption from the beginning was that. The non vapers and people with similar symptoms were just flu or unknown pneumonia.
https://t.co/269X0ndgG8
@_RL_W@SixandLaura@igolfandreadcxr @DrTravisScott @JeffreyKanneMD It's called false negatives: https://t.co/2H87l4Uksa
C1: Not tested
C2: Tested at best after 8 days of symptoms. We don't know how many times.
C3: Not tested in the first visit and tested later on when the illness was advanced.
FN ratio is high after so many days.
@_RL_W@SixandLaura@igolfandreadcxr @DrTravisScott @JeffreyKanneMD False negative are common. The only way to know the truth is by testing 2019 EVALI samples. Are you against that?
@igolfandreadcxr@_RL_W@SixandLaura @DrTravisScott @JeffreyKanneMD Sorry, I didn't understand. It's clear that different illness have similar features. But here we're talking about 2 diseases that are 100% identical in every single aspect, appeared at the same time, in the same way, and the cause of one of them has not been explained.
@_RL_W@SixandLaura@igolfandreadcxr @DrTravisScott @JeffreyKanneMD The only way to know that is by testing EVALI samples from SARS-CoV-2. It's quite easy and then we could discuss with real data. That's the original purpose and petition of this thread.
@_RL_W@SixandLaura@igolfandreadcxr @DrTravisScott @JeffreyKanneMD Have you read the article? They are not vapers that become ill after being close to EVALI patients.
Having antibodies means that they had passed COVID already. It was circulating along all the country for months. EVALI and high flu season were just the reflect of that...
@igolfandreadcxr@_RL_W@SixandLaura @DrTravisScott @JeffreyKanneMD So finally you're proposing one difference between both diseases: Bleomycin. Please, I'd be grateful if you could share some studies about bleomycin toxicity in EVALI patients. I can't find any evidence or data about bleomycin toxicity being linked to EVALI. Thank you.
@_RL_W@SixandLaura@igolfandreadcxr @DrTravisScott @JeffreyKanneMD Here you go: https://t.co/vZw5fHTA8e
A nurse and a teacher who didn't vape got EVALI. 80% of asymptomatic & similar to flu was difficult to detect without tests.
BTW, you know that on Dec 2019 US had +5M people with COVID antibodies, right https://t.co/YVV975CXYc
@ZigsterRock@VeronikaIzabela@Golden_Pup@WatcherAfar Thanks for sharing your story. Could you please tell me where can I find more info about 2014 events or any evidence that you may have? Please, feel free to send me a PM if you like.
@VaporMan6@SixandLaura@igolfandreadcxr @DrTravisScott @JeffreyKanneMD I don't understand your reasoning. The hypothesis that EVALI was COVID is based in the fact that it's a new illness 100% identical to COVID appeared at the same time + many other evidences.
If you have evidences that EVALI is a STD disease please share them.
@badhanhc@TheSeeker268 Have you checked the image attached in my tweet?
My point is that the study referred in this conversation doesn't make any sense and it just try to manipulate public opinion using false information.
Unfortunately, I'm not being payed by China.