Aman Agarwal

Dharma Pirate

[banteg @banteg]

>be me
>discover effective altruism
>apparently normal charity is inefficient
>why donate to random sad thing when spreadsheet can tell you optimal sad thing
>fair enough
>buy mosquito nets
>save lives
>numbers look good
>feel powerful

>couple years later
>someone asks an innocent question
>why only count people alive today
>huh
>future people matter too
>obviously
>my grandchildren shouldn't matter less just because they haven't spawned yet
>reasonable.jpg

>keep following logic
>what about their grandchildren
>also yes
>what about people in 500 years
>sure
>5000 years
>why not
>500 million years
>starting to get weird but morality is morality

>open calculator
>humanity could survive for an astronomically long time
>could colonize galaxy
>could have trillions upon trillions of descendants
>maybe digital people too
>maybe simulated civilizations
>maybe dyson spheres full of happy uploaded minds
>calculator starts smoking

>realize currently living humans are rounding error
>8 billion people suddenly looking extremely beta
>future contains potentially 10^something people
>can't even fit beneficiaries in google sheets

>new moral priority unlocked
>protect the long-term future

>stop thinking in units of "people helped"
>start thinking in "fraction of cosmic endowment preserved"

>malaria?
>terrible
>but only kills existing humans
>AI extinction could delete the entire light cone
>nuclear war could permanently derail civilization
>bad institutions could lock in terrible values for ten million years
>someone invents wrong constitution in 2140
>quadrillions suffer
>better fund governance workshop now

>friend says maybe we should improve hospitals
>explain opportunity cost
>friend says hospitals are full of actual sick people
>explain scope sensitivity
>friend stops inviting me to dinner

>need to decide what to fund
>easy
>expected value

>suppose project has one in a million chance of preventing extinction
>sounds tiny
>but extinction destroys 10^50 future lives
>multiply
>mother of god

>$10 million project has expected value of several galaxies
>charity evaluation complete

>someone asks where the one-in-a-million number came from
>expert judgement
>which expert
>us
>how calibrated
>extremely thoughtfully

>reduce estimate to one in ten million to be conservative
>still beats curing cancer by 38 orders of magnitude
>epistemic robustness achieved

>someone says maybe project doesn't work
>assign 20% chance
>still astronomical

>maybe project makes problem worse
>assign 5% chance
>still astronomical

>why 5
>because 30 felt pessimistic

>publish 46-page report
>contains seventeen sensitivity analyses
>every sensitivity analysis begins after assuming intervention has positive sign

>critic says you're multiplying enormous hypothetical stakes by extremely uncertain probabilities
>yes
>that's literally why it's important

>critic says the uncertainty might be structural rather than numerical
>make probability smaller
>critic says no, I mean maybe your model is wrong
>make probability smaller again
>critic begins rubbing temples

>discover AI safety
>perfect longtermist cause
>AI might kill everyone
>or create utopia
>or seize galaxy
>or tile universe with paperclips
>or create billions of conscious software minds
>finally a problem with numbers big enough for me

>start AI safety nonprofit
>mission: prevent dangerous AI
>hire smartest people available
>smartest people immediately start building better AI to understand dangerous AI
>interesting

>we must understand capabilities to understand safety
>we must scale models to study alignment
>we must race ahead so less responsible actors don't get there first
>we must deploy systems to learn how deployment can go wrong
>we must build the thing quickly because building the thing quickly is dangerous

>outsider asks why the people most worried about AI apocalypse all work at AI companies
>complicated field

>company releases stronger model
>very concerned
>company begins training even stronger model
>extremely concerned
>company raises $14 billion
>concern reaches unprecedented levels

>need to influence government
>future is at stake
>normal democratic process too slow
>politicians don't understand exponential curves
>public doesn't understand x-risk
>experts must guide them
>who counts as expert
>people who understand x-risk
>who understands x-risk
>our friends

>someone objects that this seems politically convenient
>explain we're representing future generations
>future generations unavailable for comment

>develop concept of value lock-in
>terrifying possibility that one ideology controls civilization forever
>therefore extremely important that civilization adopts correct values before lock-in
>whose values
>let's circle back

>begin with impartial morality
>end with small group of people deciding what quadrillions of hypothetical beings would want
>beautiful arc

>meanwhile actual humans keep doing annoying things
>voting wrong
>having parochial attachments
>loving family more than strangers
>caring about local community
>getting upset when told their suffering is cosmically negligible
>evolutionary biases everywhere

>explain that moral intuition cannot be trusted
>except intuition that future digital people count
>and intuition that extinction is uniquely bad
>and intuition that our probability estimates are sane
>and intuition that our institutional choices improve the future
>those intuitions survived peer review

>someone donates $5k to local homeless shelter
>inefficient
>could have funded 0.0000000000003% of an AI governance researcher
>think of all the simulated people you just killed

>okay maybe don't phrase it that way publicly

>PR team says "future generations deserve a voice"
>much better

>journalist asks what longtermism means
>say "future people matter"
>everyone agrees
>great
>journalist asks what follows from that
>well technically we should redirect enormous resources toward low-probability interventions affecting astronomical futures
>journalist raises eyebrow
>return to "future people matter"

>motte has entered the chat

>critic: of course future people matter
>me: glad we agree
>critic: I don't agree that your institute knows how to help them
>me: why do you hate our grandchildren

>eventually notice uncomfortable implication
>if future value dominates everything
>then helping people today mostly matters through effects on future
>education matters because future institutions
>health matters because future productivity
>democracy matters because future trajectory
>human beings slowly become instrumental variables in their own moral philosophy

>see starving child
>feel compassion
>check spreadsheet
>child's direct welfare contribution negligible
>but perhaps childhood nutrition improves national institutional quality
>compassion restored

>tell myself this is impartial altruism

>one day assistant asks obvious question
>"how do you know your intervention actually improves the far future?"

>silence

>open spreadsheet
>increase column width
>add confidence interval

>assistant asks again
>"no, I mean how do you know the sign is positive?"

>stare into cosmic light cone

>10^50 people staring back

>none of them exist
>none of them can tell me
>none of them can falsify my assumptions

>realize I have invented the perfect constituency

>infinitely important
>completely silent
>and always represented by me

[Monastic Academy @MonasticAcademy]

It's easier than ever to oppress good, religious communities. They're disadvantaged b/c they refuse to lie—for instance they don't even apologize when they haven't done wrong.

[Monastic Academy @MonasticAcademy]

We are friends with Rabbi Marc Gafni's spiritual community One Mountain. The Rabbi is a wise, loving leader who deeply listens and cares for people. https://t.co/jLJzr0AGF8

[Monastic Academy @MonasticAcademy]

We've visited Twelve Tribes in Vermont. It's a wholesome community where children are taught that what they do matters. https://t.co/d2n1Ma8X0z

[Trinley Goldenberg @mattgoldenberg]

FIve years ago I joined @MonasticAcademy.

At the time, I didn't realize I was in a cult.

Eventually, I escaped that cult.

Here's my story.

https://t.co/z7pYypO602

[Aman Agarwal @TwistedAman]

@nayafia @anesmithbeck @InfamousStorm Powers, energy work, certain kinds of visioning/dreaming. Also I guess depends on what one means by the word “meditation”. Samadhi and Insight are maybe a bit more important than the rest of these.

[Aman Agarwal @TwistedAman]

@TGinormous You are on fire my dude

[Aman Agarwal @TwistedAman]

@bayeslord Once on a 3 day retreat but not much more than that. Also I mistakenly thought that video was the one on the 3 characteristics and the 6 sense doors not on fire kasina. Love fire kasina too but I’m not called to practice that right now

[Aman Agarwal @TwistedAman]

@DionysianAgent You got it reversed bro

[Aman Agarwal @TwistedAman]

@the_wilderless This is a wild and amazing take

[Aman Agarwal @TwistedAman]

@themopinomicon Silly excuse to not have yet attained Buddhahood

[Aman Agarwal @TwistedAman]

@tucker_peck The religions we follow include both the IS and OUGHT claims. And what you’ve said applies not just to what people consider good/holy but also to what is true. Views of how the world really is.

[Aman Agarwal @TwistedAman]

@vividvoid I suspect these numbers have once again changed drastically since I took this test 3 years ago

[Aman Agarwal @TwistedAman]

@vividvoid Here are my results!

[Aman Agarwal @TwistedAman]

@vividvoid @ClickingSeason I found a way to take it multiple times, you have to pay again to retake it but you can take it. I forgot how I did it. Maybe I bought it as a gift for someone else and then opened it from the email with my existing account and it just put it in the same account

[Aman Agarwal @TwistedAman]

@_StevenFan You’re describing a monastery lol. Btw I live at MAPLE now (https://t.co/uJ02CBuYGv)

[Aman Agarwal @TwistedAman]

@BuddhistSanta Say more

[Aman Agarwal @TwistedAman]

Your life is the part of the dharma not described in the sutras

[Aman Agarwal @TwistedAman]

@_StevenFan I love you