Victory or Death

Victory or Death is an organization dedicated to educating the populace and advocating for the principles and lessons of the republic.

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Victory or Death launches with its first published work "In The Name of Democracy: The rise and fall of the American Republic" https://t.co/sDWwvKiTpx #Amazon via @Amazon. After seven years of research and four years of writing and editing, written for anyone who values truth.

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Counterpoint- If a parent never lets a child get hurt, struggle, or put effort into life and they grow up not being able to crawl, walk, run, talk, or function… did they show love or cruelty to the child?
God loves us enough to let us chose actions that hurt Him and hurt ourselves. Love forced is not love at all.

God is willing to stop evil and we are not capable of understanding or identifying all the evil that God has stopped. The evil that has transpired is by our own choice, against God’s intended life for us (without pain and suffering). Just as parents have to let children fall and scrape their knee to learn a lesson, God does the same for us.

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@swd2 Clarification - President Trumps challenge was centered on children born to non-citizens who happen to be in America when they give birth.

Children of American Citizens born anywhere, were never in question.
All of his children have at least one parent of citizenship at birth.

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@schmotdocker @fire_starter457 Thank you, and I appreciate the debate as well.
If it is any consolation, I agree that today America is a democratic republic.
You have been the most professional and polite person to debate with in many months, so thank you👍🏻😎

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“Those citizens” is referencing the last mentioning of “citizens” which is “a body of citizens”. A body of citizens does not automatically mean the entire voting population, but actually infers a smaller body or subset of the voting population.

Let me explain more thoroughly:
Rome was not a democracy, it was established as a republic (obviously ignoring empire age later on). It was a republic because it was ran by three bodies that followed this definition.
Senate made up by patrician families, non elected.
Assembly (centuriata) was elected by the voting body of plebeians.
Both bodies also elected consuls and tribunes as executive representatives.

They were a republic because the “voting body” whether plebeian or patrician voted their independent powers to then act from there. Largely the Senate was not elected and was its own “voting body” to elect consuls.

This is the model America followed in its initial forming (before 1913).
The Senate was not elected by the people, it was elected by the individual state legislatures on confirmation by the governor appointment. That “voting body” was not the people like a democracy, but a separate body of citizens.
The House of Representatives was elected by the “voting body” of the population (much like a democracy if by itself).

The difference between the two (democracy and republic) is that simple part distinguishing between the whole voting populace and a voting body. The fact that an entire body of American government was not elected by masses or even voting base, but rather a “body” of the voting population, made America a republic. It balanced the will of the public majority against the minority through the formation of equal voice by state in the senate.

I hope this clarifies what I could not say with the limited text room.

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@schmotdocker @fire_starter457 I already cited this.

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@schmotdocker @fire_starter457 I already cited your source.

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@schmotdocker @fire_starter457 “A body of citizens” is not the same as the entire body of citizens. A body can be a legislature, not even the voting public.

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@anyonewantchips Clarification - President Trumps challenge was centered on children born to non-citizens who happen to be in America when they give birth.
Children of American Citizens born anywhere, were never in question.
All of his children have at least one parent of citizenship at birth.

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@schmotdocker @fire_starter457 Not, “a form of government in which the people elect representatives to make decisions, policies, laws, etc. according to law” which Webster defines a democracy.

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@schmotdocker @fire_starter457 Not correct. A republic is a country where there are multiple bodies controlling the government and those bodies are established by different means.
US original framework:
House- popular representation
Senate- State government rep
President- electoral rep

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@___TheGOOdWitch Which slavery? Most have been eradicated…

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@eurofounder Fact Check -
Completely unfounded. They stayed at Graylyn Hotel (luxury estate). Couldn’t hear a gunshot if you wanted to.
Complaining about AC when it is controlled within the room and food-water that is completely in your control of where and how you eat is ludicrous.

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@iam_biglad1 Meal prices went up and fastfood no longer higher under 18 and cut back employee numbers.

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@BlackDumpling Beautifully said.

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@omgsidewalks Question- Are you stating that someone makes over a billion dollars a year in income?

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@michaelevknight Question- Are you saying that no one should own property and be able to buy and sell as see fit?

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@MentallyNathan Counter point-
Genetics is pointing to a single male and female for human kind.
Fossil and sediment layer is being reconsidered based on extreme water flow models.
Archeology and historians are correcting assumptions and finding timetable matching exodus.

List goes on

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@KonstantinKisin Accuracy 100% - Taxes are disincentives to action. Economist admit that taxes drive down economic activity and the most damaging is income tax. Punishing income earned and denying it from growing the economy.