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@WayPeaceful @valorthodoxia Yeah that’s part of the reason I became EO…

The truth can’t be contradictory…how is that not obvious?

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@IdleGlands @patristicpill “I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”. Matt 16:18

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Calvinism has been absolutely destructive for western society and some protestant theology. Calvinism saved the soul from hell but forgot to save the human being. It's hyper focused on getting into heaven as a legal contract instead of transformation.

When you start with Total Depravity as a permanent ontological condition rather than a diagnosis that grace actually heals, you end up with a framework where we never become anything new in Christ.

If human nature can't be genuinely elevated, united, and transformed by grace, then the Incarnation didn't accomplish what the Fathers said it did: the union of the divine and human natures in one Person, making humanity itself capable of bearing God. Christ didn't come to absorb a legal penalty. He came to restore and elevate what Adam lost, to recapitulate humanity, and to open the way for us to become partakers of the divine nature (2 Peter 1:4) not a medieval legal theory.

If the human person never truly becomes anything, the saints are just pardoned criminals: not glorified images of God reflecting uncreated light. And if that's true, why would you venerate them? Why would Mary matter? Why would the Incarnation require a pure vessel at all?

When I started to understand this, I could look at someone I didn't know and cry for them. You will weep for the world, feel responsible for everyone and see Christ's face in every human being you pass.

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@Tsar_Martyr @NateBornAgain

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@vladorthodoxy @BruceSaiFun @SpeelingBChamp My grandmother passed away in 2020. We were extremely close. The love I felt for her was tremendous. I can only imagine the love Christ felt for his mother was infinitely greater.

How much more does Christ honor His own mother? And if He honors her, how can we do less?

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@_ChaoticGood42 @CollinRugg I don’t care what you reduce it to, no hardship gives you the right to murder a human being.

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@evanwch @megbasham @McJuggerNuggets Wish you would support free market healthcare, which we don’t currently have, at least for the children.

Price transparency alone would beat both the current corrupt system and any government system.

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I read that Russian Orthodox theology went through a prolonged period of Western scholastic captivity from roughly the 17th through 19th centuries, when Kiev Theological Academy and later Russian seminaries were heavily influenced by Latin Catholic and then Protestant scholastic methodology. I wonder if that’s where this comes from?

I was just interacting with an Orthodox Christian on X that bought into PSA. It’s very strange.

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“For us” in the Creed means on our behalf, not in our place to satisfy a penalty. Those are two very different things.

PSA isn’t just “Christ took our punishment.” It’s a specific juridical/legal framework. It smuggles in a Western, post Anselmian assumption: that God is bound by an external justice before He can act mercifully. God is the source of justice, He isn’t accountable to it. He forgives because He is love, not because a ledger system that has power over Him.

“Punishment from the Father” in Chrysostom’s view means God permitted or handed over Christ to suffering and death. Like the same language used in Romans 8:32 (“did not spare His own Son”). That’s not the same as the Father’s wrath being propitiated by retributive pain.

Like the prodigal son didn’t need to endure suffering and pain to be accepted back to his father. We don’t have an angry volcano God that is somehow satisfied by torture and murder.

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@istheebirdreal2 @patristicpill What makes them graven?

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@istheebirdreal2 @patristicpill What graven images?

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Yep it’s epistemically inaccessible (no reliable self knowledge or external verification if their faith is real).

On top of that they’re pastorally destructive with endless assurance seeking.

I do sometimes wonder if they’re monergist or if they think free will doesn’t exist. They seem to imply that works will magically happen with no cooperation.

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People already have interpreted it themselves…that’s why you have thousands of denominations.

The charismatics and radical reformers won out. The future of the Reformation is people flopping on the ground calling gibberish ‘tongues.’ They’re projected to be the largest Christian body in the world by the end of the century. This is what private interpretation produces.

And guess what…your dogma (5 solas) prevents you from stopping their insanity.

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People shouldn't be afraid to go read the Bible for themselves to see what it says.

It might change your life, for the better. :)

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@OrthodoxPole81 It’s humidity month down here in Texas 🥵…it will bring you to your knees

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@AFaucist @Theofash1 @ChristianKingTV We should leave and join your effeminate church?

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Those churches were present at or represented in the councils and their rejection came after, meaning they departed from the consensus, not that the consensus excluded them.

The existence of churches that broke from the councils actually proves the Orthodox point. Those communions are identifiable precisely because they departed from a recognizable consensus. You can only have schism if there was prior unity to break from.

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@Matthew56193629 @R3L3VANTTRUTH @patristicpill CCC 841 is a Rome document. I’m Orthodox. We’ve been warning about Roman innovations for a thousand years. That’s literally why the schism happened.

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You prots and Roman Catholics are clearly cut from the same cloth. You just declared yourself the authority on what the true definition of ‘church’ is. You decided which councils were valid. You decided which tradition is ‘pagan.’ You decided what the early church really meant.

Rome did the same thing and you’re making yourself a pope. Your papacy is invisible, unaccountable, and self appointed.

The early church definition defeats you, not me. Ignatius of Antioch, discipled directly by John the Apostle, wrote in 107 AD: ‘where the bishop is, there is the Church.’ That’s one generation from the Apostles. Irenaeus in 180 AD appealed explicitly to apostolic succession as the test of true doctrine. Clement of Rome in 96 AD asserted episcopal authority over Corinth. None of this is medieval. None of it is pagan.

I bet you don’t even realize you’ve inherited medieval Roman Catholic and Latin assumptions that the reformers double downed on.

Yall are so nominalist you’re now affirming woke nonsense. Eastern Orthodoxy stands alone in not confirming to secular bs.

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The seat of Moses is an extrabiblical tradition. It’s not found in the Torah. It’s a recognized rabbinic office that developed through Jewish tradition and practice, and Jesus treats it as binding without citing a prooftext for it. He just acknowledges the authority as real and tells his disciples to obey it.

1. Do you accept that Christ endorsed extrabiblical authoritative tradition? If so, then you demolish sola scriptura and validate apostolic succession by the same logic.

2. Or do you argue Christ was wrong to affirm the seat of Moses?

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Same answer I gave before, which you’re still not engaging with. Councils are recognized by:

1.Reception by the whole Church
2.Conformity to prior Tradition
3.Consistency with Scripture
4.Confirmation through time and fruit

Quit dodging my question. Where did you get your validation method? You use private judgment to evaluate Scripture. Where did you get the principle that private judgment is the correct arbiter? Scripture doesn’t teach sola scriptura. So you used private judgment to establish private judgment as your method.

This is why you guys are a clown show right now: Non denom business churches, mainlines are majority woke, charismatics are flopping around on the ground like they’re possessed.

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@R3L3VANTTRUTH @OpStCyprian @patristicpill Where did you get your validation method?