Xzylion

[Xzylion @Xzylion91]

If u are vegan, please don't take this view, it's embarrassing. Here is why.

[Xzylion @Xzylion91]

@Eliashx08 @bunny6lissa @flvtt3rsshy Yes, so then the conclusion is that if someone remains vegan their entire life then they were vegan.

Anyone who has their life and choices ahead of them, we cant say that they are vegan. Agree?

[Xzylion @Xzylion91]

@vojtaplaek49035 @Sarthak_7204 Yes, on my view, if it's not sentient or have never been, it's weird to talk about morals.

[Xzylion @Xzylion91]

@MartinEqualsMe @jsors2020 Okay, I'll make it clear:

I value sentience/consciousness in all beings or the potential for sentience in beings that have at one point attained sentience.

His question falls under the latter part.
I can be charitable and say he didn't understand it, but that's why it's a bad q

[Xzylion @Xzylion91]

@MartinEqualsMe @jsors2020 This is you trying to explain why their question was a genuine attempt.

Like I said, if he actually read what my values are (he shared the originally), he wouldn't ask that question.

See the original posts he shared (he shared two), it will become clear.

[Martin @MartinEqualsMe]

@Xzylion91 @jsors2020 But I think they made a genuine objection as you predicated moral value on the presence of consciousness.

[Xzylion @Xzylion91]

@MartinEqualsMe @jsors2020 It's not. They have already reshared my values. So it doesn't make sense to ask that question.

And I have absolutely no faith that they are trying to be genuine, fair or anything else.

[Xzylion @Xzylion91]

@isusk7990 @bunny6lissa I only speak online. I feel like the whole thing is trying to convince them that they are wrong, that's the whole debate.

[Xzylion @Xzylion91]

@isusk7990 @bunny6lissa I have never encountered within a debate that they admit they are wrong. Plenty say they don't care, but not that they are wrong.

[Xzylion @Xzylion91]

@isusk7990 @bunny6lissa Saying they don't care, and believing they are wrong aren't the same.

[Xzylion @Xzylion91]

@isusk7990 @bunny6lissa Why do u say that?

[Xzylion @Xzylion91]

@isusk7990 @bunny6lissa They don't know they are in the wrong.

[Xzylion @Xzylion91]

@jsors2020 @MartinEqualsMe And I'm not really interested in talking to u. U seem more interested in point-scoring, visuals, and name-calling instead of debating the actual issues and disagreements. Which, if u care about abortion, u would engage in honestly.

[Xzylion @Xzylion91]

@jsors2020 @MartinEqualsMe No, see my values that u have reposted.

[Xzylion @Xzylion91]

@MartinEqualsMe @jsors2020 You also wouldn't be able to answer the trolley problem; where u push the fat person I front of the train to stop it?

It's kinda a riducouls stance.

[Xzylion @Xzylion91]

@MartinEqualsMe @jsors2020 Surely u have moral intuitions when reading fantasy? Don't u have a moral intuition wheb Dobby (house elf) in Harry Potter gets killed?

And again, no possible scenario and logically possibility isn't the same.

[Xzylion @Xzylion91]

@vojtaplaek49035 @Sarthak_7204 It's not immoral to kill it, correct, because there is nothing there to have any moral concideratiin in terms of sentience.

[Xzylion @Xzylion91]

@MartinEqualsMe @jsors2020 But let's put that aside. Let's say u read about the hypothetical in a fantasy book and the character chose the human with a dog's consciousness. How would u judge his choice while reading it? Did he choose correctly or wrongly according to your values?

[Xzylion @Xzylion91]

@MartinEqualsMe @jsors2020 It's not a logical impossibility, I think u are confusing it with "possible". Logical possibility has to do with contradictions, which isn't contained in my hypothetical.

[Xzylion @Xzylion91]

@vojtaplaek49035 @Sarthak_7204 Yes, but there is a big difference between killing something that IS sentient and something that WILL be.

[Xzylion @Xzylion91]

@MartinEqualsMe @jsors2020 It's is logically possible, there is no contradiction in it. U should be able to answer it.

[Xzylion @Xzylion91]

@vojtaplaek49035 @Sarthak_7204 Yes, but a fetus (depending on weeks) is not sentient, so there is not someone that is sentient there.