@patristicpill The EO church never declared a canon at an ecumenical council. There's different canons across different jurisdictions...
You have 0 basis to critique prots in this regard. And if you appeal to tradition, they will do the same and say the Church always held to minimum 66
@JPuncut According to ortho dweebs its totally OK to agree with a muslim on one point (regardless of how much they threatened and doxxed christians) and still disagree in another sense soooo now they switching?
Unsurprising
@LizzieMarbach@gavinortlund@PageauJonathan They really are speaking on different terms.
What "salvation" and "church" means, what the councils mean its all subjectively interpreted depending on the lenses you have
@JayLove2917 No, that's not on me. There's one gospel that is true, and we follow.
I really don't wish to be further compared or associated with atheism. it's insulting and demeaning
Orthobots keep doing it, and it's just furthering the divide. So respectfully, no, thank you
I have a confession. I’m seriously starting to doubt the value of debates as they’re currently being done. Let me explain.
William Lane Craig debates were influential in parts of my spiritual development. Seeing a Christian make a well-reasoned case made me realize it was okay to be a Christian intellectual. The debates were well-organized and carried out. Even when Craig’s opponent got the upper-hand I left feeling encouraged and challenged by the exchange.
Fast forward to becoming a Protestant apologist. Rather, having it fall into my lap as an important need, especially when there are very few Protestant analytic philosophers that do Protestant apologetics. Most do philosophical theology or take on atheist objections to the faith. Going this route means leaving behind the comfort of academia. I see the value in debates well-done.
However, recently…
I have really began to sour toward the “debate me, bro!” culture online, especially here on X. Bloodsport challenges and debates have less to do about a productive quest for mutual understanding and truth. They have more to do with performance, scoring points, and entertainment. Such exchanges devolve into mudslinging during and after the debates. They bring out the ugly side of apologetics.
But, I think I can take this a step further…
I’ve been reading Proverbs to prepare for preaching on the book this summer. In Proverbs we read in 16:21:
"Sweetness of speech increases persuasiveness."
And in 15:28 we read:
"The heart of the righteous ponders how to answer."
Sweet speech and pondering how to answer are not rewarded in bloodsport debate culture. What is rewarded are quick responses that are sharp and forceful. And framing and rhetoric are crucial if you’re going to “win” the room. You can win the debate in that regard and not have made the better actual case.
Then we have all the posturing online. The “callouts”, the saying this person is “afraid”, and on and on. This is often about self-promotion and pride. It’s about trying to look good in the eyes of others. It’s not primarily about the pursuit of wisdom and truth.
Online apologetics debate culture promotes folly, not wisdom. That’s the tentative conclusion I’ve come to.
Is there a place for debate? Yes. Is there a way to do it in pursuit of wisdom? Yes. Has the algorithm rewarded and engrained a form of debate that is rooted in pride and folly? Yes.
And I’m realizing that I don’t want to contribute to that sort of culture. I want to offer more of a positive case for Protestantism that is encouraging and makes the Gospel more attractive to onlookers. I don’t want to spend whatever precious time I have to do this posturing-up or bowing-up to try to look tough. I want my confidence to be rooted in Christ, not in my abilities.
I know this note doesn’t have a punchy conclusion. But it does have the start of me processing what I’m seeing online and how I want to strive in Christ to promote something else, even if that something else isn’t rewarded by the algorithm.