@Hanbali2024@Sunni_Maturidi@1athariarchive dumb mujassim tried to imply that tabari takfired himself and believed in kufr. As the proud mujassim who won't accept he tried to ascribe such falsehood to this imam, continue to argue in ur echo chamber
@1athariarchive Al bukhari and nu'aym ibn hammad never said that. They are talking about humans and u as the sneaky taymi u are, ascribed it to Allah. I dont care what al darimi said or his understanding of other scholars as he isnt from the salaf, but even he seems to affirm a first creation
@Hanbali2024@Sunni_Maturidi@1athariarchive I wasnt even talkin about anachronism. Im talking about tabari himself WHO SAID MUHDATH AND MAKHLUQ ARE THE SAME. And he did takfir of one who denies it. You tried to argue that he believes in hawadith fi dhatillah which would mean tabari takfiring himself u dumb mujassim๐คฃ๐คฃ๐ซต๐ซต
@Hanbali2024@Sunni_Maturidi@1athariarchive What are u talking about you dumb mujassim? U claimed suyuti said they couldn't do ta'wil so they rejected them, when he says the complete opposite lmao๐คฃ๐คฃ
@1athariarchive If there's ample reports for a first creation from the salaf then it means they didnt believe in tasalsul al hawadith!๐คฃ plus NONE of the quotes presented by Kamila support that. Typical taymi apologetic twisting words of the scholars to fit their corrupt beliefs
@Hanbali2024@Sunni_Maturidi@1athariarchive U did brah. U claimed tabari believed in hawadith fi dhatillah despite the fact tabari saying muhdath makhluq is the same and doing takfir. This means tabari was takfiring himself and believed in created events within Gods essence which is a complete twisting and dhulm on ur part
@Hanbali2024@Sunni_Maturidi@1athariarchive The discussion that suyuti was having was with regards to attributing "lying" to the prophets. So suyuti says some scholars denied certain hadith because the apparent seemed impossible despite the potential of ta'wil which contradicts what u said, u liar ๐คฃ. As a bonus, heres >
@Hanbali2024@Sunni_Maturidi@1athariarchive Suyuti literally said the opposite to what your saying๐๐. Salafi scholars rejected sahih hadith because of inconsistencies ๐
@scribeofmedinah You must've been a dumb retard during ur ashari days to not understand passages because ur an even dumber retard now who doesnt know his hand from his elbow and
@Hanbali2024 Your such a dumb mujassim. Al razi is talking about time with regards to measurement of heavenly bodies (sun, moon etc). This is not a contradiction and is just ur lack of understanding due to all the tajsim
@Hanbali2024 You are confusing us for certain hanbali mobs who resorted to violence to silence people like al tabari. And thanks for silently confirming that the pseudo "athari"/taymism creed was never the majority of ahlasunnah
@scribeofmedinah@AndaluciMaliki1 So the salaf all said that there was a definite first creation, whether the pen or throne or something else, but now we have ibn taymiyyah denying this and distorting ahadith to claim hawadith la awwala laha. The same is said for all his corrupt beliefs