His opinion is basically the same in both cases. He's had friends deported. And it makes him kinda sad but at the end of the day he says "the poor idiot should have followed the law." Same goes for any other "random illegal," whether they're employing anyone or not. He doesn't take great pleasure in seeing people deported in general but he views it as necessary and just.
Because I'm not a Christian. I fundamentally reject the idea of universal fallenness or inherited guilt. I don't think my people need to be walking around burdened by the weight of perpetual collective inherited guilt over an institution that wasn't even uniquely American and abolished at the cost of spilled American blood. It serves no purpose but to demoralize and divide. It seeks to make you inherently tainted as an American, your achievements suspect, and our very existence as a people burdened a debt that can never be paid. They'll have us apologizing for it forever if they can.
It's cynical and demoralizing. I'd rather celebrate our people's achievements and affirm a more positive and noble view of ourselves. Not saying we can't acknowledge it. But making it some essential, defining part of the American identity, especially framed as original sin, is unacceptable to me.
No, dipshit, I don't reject contesting claims. I reject endless evasion through rhetorical gamesmanship while refusing to defend your actual position. We all know you actually have a position and you're just playing stupid. Contesting is fine, but you're not seriously contesting. You've spent this entire exchange dodging the substance: Why should foreigners have an entitlement to the country my ancestors built?
Contesting the claim is rejecting the default. You're the one suggesting a departure from the status quo. There is no neutral void here. Every real-world policy on immigration, citizenship, and demographics chooses a side. So stop playing language games and defend your actual position: Why do foreigners have an entitlement to my ancestorsโ country, institutions, and social trust? If you can't justify this entitlement, then just admit it. We all know you can't.
Lol. But you are making a positive claim, whether you admit it or not. By rejecting the idea that a people inherit from their ancestors, you're asserting that the country my ancestors built no longer belong primarily to their posterity and that foreigners now have an equal entitlement to it. That is, in fact, a very radical claim and a departure from the historical default and the explicit intent of my ancestors ("for ourselves and our posterity").
Still waiting for you to offer a justification. Even people opposed to slavery at least made arguments for why it is wrong and why it should be abolished. You, tellingly, have yet to make any argument for why foreigners should be entitled to my country. It's real easy to demand others justify their position when you don't have to justify yours. But yes, despite what you think, turning my country into a global commons does require justification.
No. The burden of proof is on you.
My position is the norm of all of history. It's taken for granted that nations are intergenerational political communities persisting through time bequeathed from ancestors to their descendants as inheritors. The people who build, sacrifice for, and mantain a country pass it on to their posterity. It's not some novel "normative claim" -- it has been the default of basically all human organization throughout history. The burden is on you for claiming America is somehow an exception and it's uniquely not allowed this sort of continuity.
Why should foreigners be entitled to the social trust, the institutions, the infrastructure, and the land my ancestors built and fought for for centuries just because they crossed our border? Why does a foreigner's desire to move here override the right of my people to our country?
@adarshisit My ancestors built this country and bequeathed it to me. That's all the justification I need. Why don't you "justify" why foreigners should be entitled to my inheritance?
@okaythenfuture America: wipes out Iran's entire military capability in a week.
Iran: destroys a couple of radars.
You: "It's over! America is finished!"