@dr_shai@TomCrabtree90@CardiacJoshi I just don't think there are enough patients with large volume pneumothorax requiring drainage, but not sick enough for ED or ICU to have intervened, presenting so that consultants and registrars in general medicine can maintain competency. Acute medicine may be different!
@dr_shai@TomCrabtree90@CardiacJoshi I agree with that, too! I think pleural procedures are important.
Over a 6 year period at a number of DGHs and in the bizarre way one of the local hospital rotas work for one of those for respiratory medicine, also. I can count on one, max 2, hands how often I've done a drain.
@dr_shai@TomCrabtree90@CardiacJoshi The complications are manifold, we agree.
But, the next step should be to ensure actual competence for a risky procedure. Limit it to high volume proceduralists so that they're safe.
People believe they are competent, but actually have not yet had their first complication.
@dr_shai@TomCrabtree90@CardiacJoshi We've all seen the horrific X-rays of chest drain complications.
Competency is not doing 2 procedures under supervision, then doing the procedure every couple of years.
Patients would be horrified if they knew what the RCP are asking.
@dr_shai@TomCrabtree90@CardiacJoshi For competence in Gastroscopy, you need a minimum of 200 procedures and 4 formal assessments... and minimum of 100/year for ongoing competence.
There just aren't enough drains to have anywhere near that level of training for ALL physicians.
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