@Heresy101_@liamsLCjourney@hannahspierMD The present day followers of Sarno (like Dan Buglio and Nicole Sachs) would not recommend pushing through symptoms. The approach has become more sophisticated over time and helps many people.
@Fionas_Story@sunsopeningband Sarnoโs approach helped me too! I wonder though if it is doomed to stay somewhat on the margins, because as he himself observed, any attempt to unmask a mindbody illness will be rejected by 80% of people. Anyways, still very much worth defending and promoting!
@useless_priest This is not insidious but just the nature of psychogenic symptoms. For example, with psychogenic hay fever (quite common) people will truly have inflammation, mucus, etc. Yet, they are also not having an allergic reaction. The symptoms are real while having a mindbody origin.
@verenabee@hannahspierMD Hi, I only suggested that you look into the material I shared if you have not done so already. It has helped many, many people who were very sick. Maybe it does not apply to you, but maybe it does. Psychogenic conditions are very tricky to identify.
@AlanLevinovitz@WIRED Thanks for writing about this. I recovered from CFS years ago using mindbody approaches. It is so frustrating how little known they are given how many people they could help.
@verenabee@hannahspierMD looking into Nicole Sachs' and Dan Buglio's online material. Nicole Sachs especially has a useful podcast with tons of recovery stories from various psychogenic conditions, including ME/CFS. This is very gentle material. 2/
@verenabee@hannahspierMD As surprising as that may sound, everything that you have written is very consistent with psychogenic ME/CFS. I know many recovery stories and have heard of many people who were as unwell as you. When you feel capable of it, I highly recommend 1/
@DaniBeckman@WIRED It means that sympathetic arousal and intense emotions lead to
more sympathetic arousal and intense emotions. Basically, โI feel like I am in danger!โ => โoh no, I must be in danger!โ => โ now, I feel even more in danger!โ => etc.
This is very common-sensical and not vague.
@verenabee@hannahspierMD What kind of mindbody approach would worsen you? I was cured from CFS by one and it only involved 6 months of gentle therapy, and no forcing effort that could trigger PEM.
The best approach imo is that developed by Dr. John Sarno and his followers (Dan Buglio, Nicole Sachs, etc)
@hannahspierMD@niyana_holt Whatโs wrong here? Psychogenic symptoms can be both โrealโ and psychological. Psychogenic hay fever illustrates this well (real eye irritation, mucus, etc),
And root of the symptoms is usually some intense repressed emotion like anxiety, connected with sympathetic arousal.
@hannahspierMD I was cured from CFS by a doctor who convinced me it was psychogenic. The illness narrative and symptoms are powerful unconscious defense mechanisms โ which is why they are passionately protected. From my research, Dr. John Sarno and his followers found the best way to treat this
@hannahspierMD I was cured from CFS by a doctor who convinced me it was psychogenic. The illness narrative and symptoms are powerful unconscious defense mechanisms โ which is why they are passionately protected. From my research, Dr. John Sarno and his followers found the best way to treat this
@jennfrey In my field, analytic philosophy, I sometimes get a strong sense when something was written "from the heart" or mostly in order to satisfy research criteria of some subfield. Since AI is likely to do the latter fairly well, maybe this will make the former more relevant again.
@SohrabAhmari What keeps you from Jung, who arguably kept developing Freudโs key insights in arguable freer but just as rigorous ways โ which are furthermore much more congruent with a religious worldview?
@PAHoyeck than all the others. For example, the โphysicalโ questions of if an electron is a wave or a particle implies the โmetaphysicalโ one of if an electron is a substance or a property (of a field). There is no strict disciplinary distinction here, 3/
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