The romanticization of downies is very weird to me.
“Oh they’re so happy!” Yeah because they have an IQ of 34.
People see little clips of the higher-functioning minority being cute online and then feel entitled to massively underestimate the amount of mental, social, financial, and medical resources it takes to raise them.
This isn’t helped by the fact that the parents of profoundly disabled kids often try and offset the (very valid) guilt, disappointment, and burnout they feel by frantically pretending like their lives are great because farming praise for being “good people” and righteously dunking on parents who don’t want that for themselves are the only coping mechanisms they have.
A profoundly disabled child is not a houseplant or kitten, and it isn’t a responsibility that ever ends. The vast majority of downies are not capable of obtaining even a mild degree of independence.
You will be taking care of them until the day you die (and spend the last moments of your life worrying about who will take care of them when you’re gone).
Imagine being 80 years old and still having to heat up nuggets for your 45 year old child, remind them to wash, tell them when to go to bed, etc…
Imagine not being able to do literally anything without having to consider whether or not your downie labubu can join.
Imagine never having grandchildren, or never being able to see your child go to college or get married. Fundamental experiences many look forward to, gone.
It’s not like the cute little clips in the vast majority of cases.
And this is all especially true if you have a male downie because once they hit puberty and adulthood, you now have all of the urges of a horny man trapped in the mind and body of someone with a no impulse control and superhuman retard strength.
It’s all fun and games until your 300 pound adult son who has the intellectual capacity of a turnip whips his junk out in a Walmart and starts rubbing it on the My Little Pony display (I witnessed this once, absolutely horrifying scenes).
All I’m saying is… If you want to be a downie parent - awesome. I wish you the best. I am sure there are plenty of profoundly disabled kids waiting to be adopted and you can put your money where your mouth is anytime.
But I do not blame anyone who does not want that life for themselves and, crucially, recognizes they would not be good parents in that situation.
At the very least, I respect the fact that they’re being honest, which seems to be something most people can’t do when it comes to the disabled.
@EllenburgSam@DerekPederson3 Pro-choise is about leaving the effected people to make a choice.
I would also add "in a reasonable timeframe".
Pro-life people force their morality to everyone.
@colonelkurtz99 Greek Orthodox Christians actually baptise the child after death in order to get to heaven. Church believes that all have the original sin before baptism. Sooo, surprisingly they are not innocent until some words are read and some water and oil drops on them.
@also_psyche@rwlesq Innocence requires the ability to think consciously.
Worth is assumptive and variable per case and per subject of matter. The answer to "Does the mothers life worth more or less than an non viable 12 week fetus?" Won't be the same with "a 32 week one with a disability".
@Pellegrinoadict@VivaldiVril Imagine the state of mind this mother had in order to wish her daughter dies before her while she can still care for her.
Imagine the horrors she saw. And what horrors her daughter will see if her mother is gone.
@Pellegrinoadict@VivaldiVril A family friend with non functional DS daughter.
Father gone, from heart problems, they didn't had money or support so he died working.
This was ingrained in my memory: I heard her say "i hope she dies before me because if I go first I cant imaginr what will happen."
@ruthdelioncourt@Niggativiti@TemplarJosh88@TeeTrimma@SomaKazima2 I made questions that show how contested this subject is. This is not me saying I don't know how it works.
I am just saying if we take what people "believe" is not a good metric of basing laws or medical advices. As for ethics is entirely different mater.
@ruthdelioncourt@Niggativiti@TemplarJosh88@TeeTrimma@SomaKazima2 When the egg is fertilised pregnancy has not yet started.
Others say its at conception which its not the same.
Some say its when the fetus developed full neurological connections and consciousness.
Thats why its a very debated matter.
@SariaBeearia@gradeausa@Riley_Gaines_ I mean risk reduction is a thing.
Taking precautions is also a thing.
Making decisions early before they cause more problems is a thing.
Its like saying "you can get lung cancer either way, why not smoke from 10 years old"
The police officer who told a father that his 15 year old daughter should 'learn a lesson' after being raped by a Pakistani peadophile has never been charged with any crime
He's probably drawing a full pension by now
Which you are paying for
@opendoorforever@cybelethebest This is entirely health related.
Beauty is not a life threatening condition.
Intelligence is also impacted by environment so you cant know what the kid will be as an adult except if they're is a definite neurological issue that would impact learning and the rest.
@the_lasso_way@NKY_Leftist They are deeply loved because most if not all made a choice to keep them.
He never said their kids have no value. He said that they didnt feel that thay wanted to let their child to go through this as well as their family.
I call this guy stupid for profiting from it