Andy O

Runner, dad & husband, does stuff with transport and planning. 2:56:55 marathoner, runner of ultras. Ran @longestnightrun for Shelter. Ring o Fire finisher x2

[Andy O @AndyO1976]

@HarryHamishGray @WalkRideGM Walking, wheeling and cycling make the city a beautiful place 😉

[Andy O @AndyO1976]

@HarryHamishGray @sicunninghamBD Easy to criticise and claim it’s ‘bad design’ without presumably knowing anything about the scheme, or the area, or the adjacent land-uses.

[Andy O @AndyO1976]

@silasdenyer @Bikery1966 Not US driving standards, the same equally applies to UK. My point is the highway environment isn’t the key cause of collisions, it’s the driver and the car-brain mindset that affects many people.
In the UK we no longer refer to “accidents” as there is nearly always fault

[Andy O @AndyO1976]

@silasdenyer @Bikery1966 I disagree - even with the best and safest designed roads bad driving can’t be mitigated.
A bad driver can and will still cause problems on a well designed road. A good driver can still drive safely on a poorly designed road.

[Andy O @AndyO1976]

@silasdenyer @Bikery1966 I don’t disagree at all - some US highway design is awful. Especially as you say for pedestrians and cyclists. My point was driving standards are probably the biggest contributor to collisions rather than highway layout.

[Andy O @AndyO1976]

@silasdenyer @Bikery1966 I’d bet that a very, very small proportion of those unfortunate fatalities are due to US road design deficiencies . Let’s call it what it is - horrendously poor driving standards - just as in the UK.

[Andy O @AndyO1976]

@BeeNetwork Trams are running to Altrincham from Cornbrook? Why isn’t this communicated, having just walked to Old Trafford it would have been nice to know this before the long walk!

[Andy O @AndyO1976]

@BaccmaConsult @ediz1975 Fine, but that’s outdated and deters pedestrians for a number of reasons. It absolutely should not be necessary if drivers react to the conditions and slow down. It emphasises the inferiority of pedestrians when they should have priority.

[Andy O @AndyO1976]

@BaccmaConsult @ediz1975 It’s not silly you just disagree. Pedestrians don’t interact with traffic in the same way cyclists do to suggest otherwise is well, silly.

[Andy O @AndyO1976]

@BaccmaConsult @ediz1975 My issue is that your ‘advice’ is akin to victim blaming and excusing drivers from taking responsibility particularly in darkness /poor visibility when drivers should be especially careful.

[Andy O @AndyO1976]

@BaccmaConsult @ediz1975 This is a discussion about pedestrians. Cyclist should have lights in the dark as they’re generally interacting with traffic.
Why are dark cars a silly example? If they’re parked and it’s foggy in your analogy drivers could easily hit them as they have no hi-vis bands.

[Andy O @AndyO1976]

@MarkWalder2 @ediz1975 You seem to expect pedestrians to take precautions to be safe from drivers when that safety should be beholden on drivers driving safely & carefully including taking greater awareness in limited visibility. Should dark cars be sprayed hi-vis? Hints a bit of victim blaming.

[Andy O @AndyO1976]

@GarySmithJnr @VnTa_ @Bikery1966 Protected, segregated cycle lanes - yes (mostly), but painted cycle lanes, definitely not - too narrow, frequently driven over, parked in etc etc.
I come back to my original point - modern cycle lanes are designed to encourage new cyclists, not for confident cyclists.

[Andy O @AndyO1976]

@GarySmithJnr @VnTa_ @Bikery1966 True but it’s just one example of a situation you say doesn’t exist. Drivers speed past issues such as this without seeing or appreciating why cyclists are in the road and jump to unfounded reasoning.

[Andy O @AndyO1976]

@GarySmithJnr @VnTa_ @Bikery1966 You’ve demonstrated you don’t appreciate or understand why cyclists chose not to use cycle lanes. As most drivers don’t.

[Andy O @AndyO1976]

@GarySmithJnr @VnTa_ @Bikery1966 Then you’d get grief saying you should be in the cycle lane.
Your point was you’ve never found an unusable one. I’ve shown an example. If you’ve never seen one great for you but there are many out there & some drivers l just aren’t aware of why they aren’t used.

[Andy O @AndyO1976]

@BaccmaConsult @ediz1975 Yes they’re silly examples but it’s silly to expect pedestrians to take precautions to be safe from drivers when that safety should be beholden on drivers driving safely & carefully including taking greater awareness in limited visibility. Should dark cars be sprayed hi-vis?

[Andy O @AndyO1976]

@GarySmithJnr @VnTa_ @Bikery1966 How about this example from London?

[Andy O @AndyO1976]

@GarySmithJnr @Bikery1966 @VnTa_ Just have a quick Google search for glass in cycle lane and you’ll see plenty of articles about how much of problem it is.

[Andy O @AndyO1976]

@GarySmithJnr @VnTa_ @Bikery1966 Glass, slippy leaves, flooded? You just go through? How would you know if there was a pot hole if flooded.
I’m not sure you would.
With the greatest of respect if you’ve never found a cycle lane unfit for riding you haven’t ridden in many (certainly pre-2022).