@Tom56584658@nohitjerome You are conflating “non-streamer” with “casual.” There are highly skilled non-streamers and semi-pros who don't have the same opportunities. Saying “Snutz would destroy any casual” tells us nothing about whether a strong non-streamer could challenge him under equal conditions.
@mrahdreegez @BenhardSindimba@camhigby Okay, i just checked the definition of both influence and manipulation, and you are right. He was kind of in the middle. Some of the things he did, was just influencing and some was manipulation.