arjun

engineer @warpstream_labs

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[arjun @bananabrick2]

@richardartoul Sounds like Nescafé gold

[arjun @bananabrick2]

The ai discourse is so bad that this is what normies think is happening

[arjun @bananabrick2]

@cafkafk @theo @theramblingfool chefs kiss

[arjun @bananabrick2]

If you offer a really good engineer $100 million but they would have to lose their ability to think like an engineer forever, most wouldn't make that trade.

[arjun @bananabrick2]

Two of my favorite chapters in fantasy.

Chapter 25, reaper by will wight.
Chapter 12, golden sun by pierce brown.

[arjun @bananabrick2]

@ei_chima @sonicfields Explain why it's awful. Please https://t.co/JMKB3SqykX

[arjun @bananabrick2]

Very clever. You taught me so much.

Regarding the money. Ramp is one of the fastest growing non ai startups on the planet. They 10xd their valuation in the last 2 years. There's risk, but they're probably gonna do more. Do the equity math. Yea, there'll be some dilution, but that ramp engineer from the screenshot will probably come out ahead compared to working at jane street over the same 4 year period. I think jane street was paying 400k tc for a new grad back in my day, maybe it has increased a bit. But like 150k of that was a sign on bonus.

People keep shitting on Ramps engineering ability thinking they're so smart, but it is not possible to create an extraordinary product without extraordinary engineering. The meta ability to engineer is what allows you to create great products.

Regarding the bar, jane street is not some small elite shop, it has what 2k+ engineers? What do you think happens to the bar when you scale up hiring? Which jane street has done over the past decade. A lot. It's impossible to maintain the same standard as you scale up.

My university had a direct pipeline to working at Jane street, and I've met many extraordinary, and ordinary people who ended up working there. I was one of the lucky ones who got rejected after an interview. My life would be worse by every single metric if I had gotten the offer. Including monetarily.

Jane street is world class at what they do for sure and they have many outlier engineers, but that doesn't mean the median engineer is as good as people think.

Once you work with extraordinary engineers who're world class in their domain, your definition of what's good shifts massively. Most people won't experience this and will keep thinking just having a job at jane street as some high status thing when the true level is much higher.

Jane street is very enticing for new grads because they've never seen that kind of money, much less enticing for engineers who become great in the real world and have made some money. Do you know what the true ceiling for the kind of value an engineer who commits to the path and becomes great is?

[arjun @bananabrick2]

@notabotaname @sonicfields Why? https://t.co/JMKB3SqykX

[arjun @bananabrick2]

Very clever. You taught me so much.

Regarding the money. Ramp is one of the fastest growing non ai startups on the planet. They 10xd their valuation in the last 2 years. There's risk, but they're probably gonna do more. Do the equity math. Yea, there'll be some dilution, but that ramp engineer from the screenshot will probably come out ahead compared to working at jane street over the same 4 year period. I think jane street was paying 400k tc for a new grad back in my day, maybe it has increased a bit. But like 150k of that was a sign on bonus.

People keep shitting on Ramps engineering ability thinking they're so smart, but it is not possible to create an extraordinary product without extraordinary engineering. The meta ability to engineer is what allows you to create great products.

Regarding the bar, jane street is not some small elite shop, it has what 2k+ engineers? What do you think happens to the bar when you scale up hiring? Which jane street has done over the past decade. A lot. It's impossible to maintain the same standard as you scale up.

My university had a direct pipeline to working at Jane street, and I've met many extraordinary, and ordinary people who ended up working there. I was one of the lucky ones who got rejected after an interview. My life would be worse by every single metric if I had gotten the offer. Including monetarily.

Jane street is world class at what they do for sure and they have many outlier engineers, but that doesn't mean the median engineer is as good as people think.

Once you work with extraordinary engineers who're world class in their domain, your definition of what's good shifts massively. Most people won't experience this and will keep thinking just having a job at jane street as some high status thing when the true level is much higher.

Jane street is very enticing for new grads because they've never seen that kind of money, much less enticing for engineers who become great in the real world and have made some money. Do you know what the true ceiling for the kind of value an engineer who commits to the path and becomes great is?

[arjun @bananabrick2]

@sassysquirrel69 @gokul_js029 @sonicfields https://t.co/JMKB3SqykX

[arjun @bananabrick2]

Very clever. You taught me so much.

Regarding the money. Ramp is one of the fastest growing non ai startups on the planet. They 10xd their valuation in the last 2 years. There's risk, but they're probably gonna do more. Do the equity math. Yea, there'll be some dilution, but that ramp engineer from the screenshot will probably come out ahead compared to working at jane street over the same 4 year period. I think jane street was paying 400k tc for a new grad back in my day, maybe it has increased a bit. But like 150k of that was a sign on bonus.

People keep shitting on Ramps engineering ability thinking they're so smart, but it is not possible to create an extraordinary product without extraordinary engineering. The meta ability to engineer is what allows you to create great products.

Regarding the bar, jane street is not some small elite shop, it has what 2k+ engineers? What do you think happens to the bar when you scale up hiring? Which jane street has done over the past decade. A lot. It's impossible to maintain the same standard as you scale up.

My university had a direct pipeline to working at Jane street, and I've met many extraordinary, and ordinary people who ended up working there. I was one of the lucky ones who got rejected after an interview. My life would be worse by every single metric if I had gotten the offer. Including monetarily.

Jane street is world class at what they do for sure and they have many outlier engineers, but that doesn't mean the median engineer is as good as people think.

Once you work with extraordinary engineers who're world class in their domain, your definition of what's good shifts massively. Most people won't experience this and will keep thinking just having a job at jane street as some high status thing when the true level is much higher.

Jane street is very enticing for new grads because they've never seen that kind of money, much less enticing for engineers who become great in the real world and have made some money. Do you know what the true ceiling for the kind of value an engineer who commits to the path and becomes great is?

[arjun @bananabrick2]

Very clever. You taught me so much.

Regarding the money. Ramp is one of the fastest growing non ai startups on the planet. They 10xd their valuation in the last 2 years. There's risk, but they're probably gonna do more. Do the equity math. Yea, there'll be some dilution, but that ramp engineer from the screenshot will probably come out ahead compared to working at jane street over the same 4 year period. I think jane street was paying 400k tc for a new grad back in my day, maybe it has increased a bit. But like 150k of that was a sign on bonus.

People keep shitting on Ramps engineering ability thinking they're so smart, but it is not possible to create an extraordinary product without extraordinary engineering. The meta ability to engineer is what allows you to create great products.

Regarding the bar, jane street is not some small elite shop, it has what 2k+ engineers? What do you think happens to the bar when you scale up hiring? Which jane street has done over the past decade. A lot. It's impossible to maintain the same standard as you scale up.

My university had a direct pipeline to working at Jane street, and I've met many extraordinary, and ordinary people who ended up working there. I was one of the lucky ones who got rejected after an interview. My life would be worse by every single metric if I had gotten the offer. Including monetarily.

Jane street is world class at what they do for sure and they have many outlier engineers, but that doesn't mean the median engineer is as good as people think.

Once you work with extraordinary engineers who're world class in their domain, your definition of what's good shifts massively. Most people won't experience this and will keep thinking just having a job at jane street as some high status thing when the true level is much higher.

Jane street is very enticing for new grads because they've never seen that kind of money, much less enticing for engineers who become great in the real world and have made some money. Do you know what the true ceiling for the kind of value an engineer who commits to the path and becomes great is?

[arjun @bananabrick2]

Yea, if you focus on a system for 3 years, you will be able to contribute extraordinarily to it, but you probably won't learn everything it takes to have a high level in another company. If that's what you mean.

Performance in an environment has so many factors to account for anway. A lot people who gain a staff at ANY company suck when they go into another environment, regardless of age and experience. Ever worked with the average staff software engineer at Google? I've experienced this so many times. It's painful.

[arjun @bananabrick2]

@gokul_js029 @sonicfields Explain why I'm wrong. Even just monetarily. Explain it. Please.

[arjun @bananabrick2]

Yea maybe. But if a smart young person commits to a system for 3 years, they will become the expert on it. And they will have insights on it no one else does. No doubt. At which point you can argue if the guy who leads the system which makes the company a fuck ton of money should be staff or not. But it doesn’t really matter. This is a guy adding insane value.

[arjun @bananabrick2]

At a meta level, engineering is about going from ideation to creating outcomes.

Just observing as an outsider, this obviously happens at ramp in abundance.

Secondly, when you try and create outcomes, things get in the way, and a huge part of engineering is figuring out ways to keep making progress. By moving through or around bottlenecks. A lot of these problems are extremely contextual.

The act of creation of a product at that scale(which you admit ramp has an impressive one), is not possible without engineering.

You sound like you have ZERO insight into engineering. Sorry.

[arjun @bananabrick2]

apparently there's no "impressive" engineering at ramp. ok.

[scene @svscnne]

@bananabrick2 @sonicfields A 16 year old can start a company and call themselves distginushed engineer. What’s your point?

But yea impressive engineering is NOT happening at ramp. They have a good product tho

[arjun @bananabrick2]

@stanleefounder what about your startup

[arjun @bananabrick2]

@JackEllis @pggalaviz They chant the weights as prayer every sunday

[arjun @bananabrick2]

@adamwathan nice, that means i might've at least 11 more years of good training left in me. Nice work on the OHP