Benjamin Thomas

[Benjamin Thomas @benjam_pt]

@Soteriology101 Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, unless they are agreed?

[Benjamin Thomas @benjam_pt]

@TheGadFlyRising @Soteriology101 We did? If so, scripture wouldn’t say people turned away from Him, if they’re born that way.

My point is that per Calvinism, all is determined from before creation =God hated many.
(Double predestination)

Rom 11:32 speaks mercy towards all, not hatred of some.

[Benjamin Thomas @benjam_pt]

@TheGadFlyRising @Soteriology101 Are you really saying that unbelievers hate God because He first hated them, and didn’t give them faith/life/light/etc?

[Benjamin Thomas @benjam_pt]

@Jondaphemp @Soteriology101 100%
Romans 5:9-10

[Benjamin Thomas @benjam_pt]

@David_wthebeard Hahaha!
How many times does the Bible say God hated Israel?
Hint: a lot more that it said that about Esau.

[Benjamin Thomas @benjam_pt]

@PartBaptist1689 @Brycethevet What about before they did good/bad, wasn’t there an individualized election PRE-creation per Calvinism? How is that love? This is why DP is horrific, makes God into a monster or devil

Do you know how many verses there are that state He is NOT partial?

[Benjamin Thomas @benjam_pt]

@PartBaptist1689 @Brycethevet You said all was nations right?

Easy - they didn’t trust in His Son. But He does govern His son to all, anyone could believe.

This is consistent with Ps 145:8-10, but DP cannot be.
Or is God partial?

[Benjamin Thomas @benjam_pt]

@PartBaptist1689 @Brycethevet There are no “Calvinist passages”, that’s funny!😆

Are you saying He committed all nations to disobedience?

The way your 1st post is stated re: DP, it is as if God is unlikely to be gracious. He is gracious in all His ways - how’s that with DP?

[Benjamin Thomas @benjam_pt]

@PartBaptist1689 @Brycethevet What about Adam’s guilt before we sin? Could we not sin?
See what I mean? There is no first chance
You don’t want to speak of that though. Or that God would show mercy on all (not some), as in Rom 11:32

[Benjamin Thomas @benjam_pt]

@PartBaptist1689 @Brycethevet What was the first chance?

You speak of deserving…What about election before doing good or bad, from eternity? What does any actions on any man have to do with it?

[Benjamin Thomas @benjam_pt]

@RevReads289 Amen.
Sounds consistent with scripture, doesn’t it?
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men

[Benjamin Thomas @benjam_pt]

@RevReads289 Agreed.
Jer. 23:22 seems to say the Word is sufficient. It is evident throughout people can respond to the gospel, and respond to the teachings of Christ (2 Tim 3:15), but can be hardened in their rejection/unbelief, disapproved concerning the faith, as in 2 Tim 3:8.

[Benjamin Thomas @benjam_pt]

@Fletch1171 This is a great point - to distinguish His actions and mans actions.
Eg: a surgeon performing a life-saving surgery: A patient going to the surgeon is not = the patient performing the surgery.

[Benjamin Thomas @benjam_pt]

@JamesEwen0407 @ProvisionistP Wowwww
Again, refuted by continuing to read in 1 Cor 3.

Matt 23:13 - this you?

[Benjamin Thomas @benjam_pt]

@JamesEwen0407 @ProvisionistP Ok man.
Out of context? Same book, same context, same audience/recipient.

Why do those brothers in ch3 not receive the things of the Spirit of God then?

[Benjamin Thomas @benjam_pt]

@JamesEwen0407 @ProvisionistP Keep reading 1 Cor into the next chapter. He calls them brothers and yet still carnal, unable to receive, and yet the spirit of God dwells in them and they are a Christ’s.
Are they not yet born again?
This should change your presuppositions

[Benjamin Thomas @benjam_pt]

@yesiwetmyplants @rootcausesleuth Jeremiah 32:33 ‘And they have turned to Me the back, and not the face; though I taught them, rising up early and teaching them,yet they have not listened to receive instruction.

So who failed - Was God ineffectually teaching here? Or did they just not receive Him?

[Benjamin Thomas @benjam_pt]

@Mindtrap028 Good point
Reminds me especially of Matt 23:23 - Jesus told these Pharisees they ought to have done these things: justice and mercy and faith
It also raises a particular question for those who claim regeneration-first or faith must come from God only.

[Benjamin Thomas @benjam_pt]

@rogerecoff Similar to Ps. 78:67-68
Were these tribes enemies? Nope
Chosen for a purpose, not speaking of salvation

[Benjamin Thomas @benjam_pt]

@ehansalytics @NickQuient Ha! But I didn’t…you just went on a rant that dead means dead, total inability, lifeless etc.

I agree there can be variations but you have a double standard, I’d say likewise it’s best to part.

Keep seeking Christ, abounding in faith and love