@VirtueinAbyss@0x49fa98 The class was on Catholic social teaching. The teacher had a slideshow of lots of different people. There were politicians and celebrities and criminals etc on it.
@deaddroppop@Rosagf27@lerrieadesy_lm@Hollywood7300@TemiXo_1 I mean I don’t think that we should be going tit for tat on policy to “counteract” the consequences of an abortion ban. Abortion should be banned on principle because it’s murder. I just think that it’s good to help parents who are financially burdened with sick children.
@Punished_FZ@afrym76@mattforney I’m pro life. I don’t think it’s ok to kill Down syndrome babies. I just think these people lack tact. There’s a reason their stance isn’t popular and it’s because they’re more interested in piety signaling than being honest.
Years ago, my wife and I discovered that our unborn son was likely to have Down Syndrome. We were filled with fear and anguish, contemplating the options available to us. We were on the verge of making a difficult decision, but ultimately, we chose the right one.
@afrym76@mattforney This is exactly why people are so unsympathetic to your position. It’s not “beautiful.” It’s actually very ugly. Caring for a child with Trisomy 21 is grueling and often has very few positives.
It is a little strange how many Christians respond significantly more viciously to those who choose to abort a down syndrome child as compared to a normal one. Obviously neither is justified but one can understand why the former situation is more difficult for the parents.
Nietzsche was absolutely correct when he pointed out that many modern Christians have turned the real obligation to care for the sick, poor, disabled, etc, into a quasi-veneration or idealization of those traits. But in reality there’s no virtue in weakness or helplessness. The real Christian path is to strive to maximize one’s human potential, cultivating strength, vitality, agency etc, while still acting justly to protect the weak and the vulnerable. Neopagans and atheists calling to abort down syndrome children neglect the latter, while many modern Christians, in their bizarre virtue signalings about the joys of a genetic disorder, reject the former.
@HidreMeg@lerrieadesy_lm@Hollywood7300@TemiXo_1 Moral license as in moral authority, as in someone being morally justified to perform a given action. If I say “you don’t have the license to do X” then that means you lack either the capability, the approval, or both.
@jinxsreturn She wasn’t afraid of him. She just let it happen and then she would complain about him to us behind his back. Her family hated him and threatened to not attend their wedding if she didn’t break up with him and she let it continue. She did break it off for good later.
@pixelottie@ChubbsOnlyy@lerrieadesy_lm@Hollywood7300@TemiXo_1 We’re talking about morality, as in what ought to be, what’s right and what’s wrong. If there is no objective moral law then all of this is pointless and we’re just essentially sharing opinions. “I believe X” means nothing if there’s no substance to it.
@pixelottie@ChubbsOnlyy@lerrieadesy_lm@Hollywood7300@TemiXo_1 If morality is subjective then nobody has a “right” to their own body and you have no room to say that someone using another person’s body without consent is wrong. You can’t make moral claims and then backpedal into relativism when challenged on them. Thats a lazy cop out.