جزاك الله جل وعلا خيرًا أخي على غيرتك على الدين وعلى أصحاب رسول الله ﷺ. صحيح أن كلام هذا الأخ منكر ويستحق الإنكار، لكن الحكم على شخص بعينه بالكفر لا يكون إلا بعد قيام الحجة وتوفر الشروط وانتفاء الموانع، كما بيّن شيخ الإسلام ابن تيمية رحمه الله، وهذا مرجعه إلى العلماء الراسخين لا إلى كل أحد. والأولى أن ننكر القول بالحكمة والموعظة الحسنة وندعو له بالهداية. أسأل الله جل وعلا أن يزيدك علمًا وحلمًا، وأن يغفر لنا ولك ويهدينا جميعًا إلى الحق.
Read Muslim 51 again. It doesn’t mention Najd anywhere. It mentions Rabiʿa and Mudar, and Mudar includes Quraysh, the tribe of the Prophet ﷺ.
It also doesn’t mention any specific sect, let alone “Wahhabis”. So calling people Khawarij based on this hadith is your own interpretation, not what the hadith actually says.
And you’re avoiding the question again. Whatever you choose to call me doesn’t change what Allah says in 72:18 and 46:5.
So where is your evidence that calling upon Ali for help is allowed?
Years of calling Salafis deviants and Mujassimah.
Years of takfir-lite on the mashāyikh of Ahlus Sunnah.
The same scholar who advocated for a creed that his own movement spent centuries slandering.
Jahmis complain when shaykh AbdulRahman Hasan mentioned few Ash‘ari scholars among many other Salafis. Yet they turn around and worship a “Wahhabi Mujassim” and celebrate his month.
As I said, every single criticism they make against the Salafis is more applicable to them.
True, Allah called us Muslims. He says in Surah al-Hajj 22:78: “He has named you Muslims, both before and in this.”
But just saying “I’m Muslim” doesn’t tell us much. There are people who call themselves Muslim while calling upon others besides Allah. We follow the Qur’an and Sunnah upon the understanding of the Salaf. That’s why saying you’re Sunni has meaning. It shows which path you’re trying to follow, the path of the Prophet ﷺ and his Companions.
And brother, you said you’re not Hanafi. If you’re not a scholar, then who are you taking your fiqh from? Allah says: “Ask the people of knowledge if you do not know” (16:43).
You can’t just open the Qur’an and hadith and start giving rulings. You need Arabic, hadith, usul al-fiqh, knowledge of abrogation and a lot more. Most of us simply haven’t studied these things enough. That’s why we rely on scholars.
The four madhhabs are part of that scholarly tradition. Their knowledge was passed down through generations. If you don’t follow a madhhab or a qualified scholar, what stops you from just taking whichever opinion you like?
Dua doesn’t need a hadith for us to know we should make it to Allah. Allah already tells us: “Call upon Me, I will respond to you” (40:60), and “I am near, I respond to the call of the caller” (2:186).
So asking Allah directly is exactly what He commands. As for calling upon someone else, Allah says: “Who is more astray than one who calls upon others besides Allah, who will not respond to him until the Day of Resurrection?” (46:5).
Insult me all you want. I said I’d rather be a Wahhabi than a Rafidhi. The people you call Wahhabi claim to follow the aqeedah of the Salaf and to keep worship for Allah alone.
So which aqeedah do you actually follow? The one taught by the Prophet ﷺ, or the one you attribute to Abdullah ibn Saba?
Yes, I know Nad-e-Ali. But it isn’t found in Bukhari, Muslim, or any other sound Sunni collection. Saying “it is believed to have been brought by Jibril” isn’t evidence. You asked others to provide proof earlier, so where is the sound chain?
And even if it were authentic, it could never override the Qur’an, which Jibril himself brought: “The mosques are for Allah, so do not invoke anyone along with Allah” (72:18).
The dua itself asks Ali for help in hardship. That means calling upon someone besides Allah for something that belongs to Allah alone.
This is the position of ijmaʿ, and every scholar agrees with it. What evidence do you have for your position, and which scholars do you follow? The eleven Imams?
جزاك الله جل وعلا خيرًا أخي على غيرتك على أصحاب رسول الله ﷺ، فهذا مما يُحمد لك. ولعلّ من الإنصاف أن نفرّق بين التكفير المطلق والتكفير المعيّن: فقد يُقال إن هذا القول أو هذا الفعل كفر، ولا يُحكم على شخص بعينه بالكفر حتى تتوفر الشروط وتنتفي الموانع، كما قرّر أهل العلم ومنهم شيخ الإسلام ابن تيمية رحمه الله. وهذا الحكم مرجعه إلى العلماء الراسخين لا إلى كل أحد. أسأل الله جل وعلا أن يزيدك علمًا وحلمًا، وأن يغفر لنا ولك ويهدينا جميعًا إلى الحق.
Read the first post again. It’s about calling on Ali by saying “Ya Ali.” No one is talking about cursing the Sahaba, you imbecile.
As for Bukhari 3700, are you a scholar to interpret it like that? It’s describing Umar’s fear of Allah at the end of his life. Khawf is a sign of faith, not proof of guilt. Allah describes the believers as those whose hearts tremble when they return to their Lord (23:60), and the Prophet ﷺ said he was the most God-fearing of all (Bukhari 20).
Ali himself stood by Umar’s bedside and said he hoped Allah would keep him with his two companions (Bukhari 3685).
The Qur’an is clear that worship and supplication belong to Allah alone: “And the mosques are for Allah, so do not invoke anyone along with Allah” (72:18). Allah also says, “And whoever invokes besides Allah another deity for which he has no proof, then his account is only with his Lord” (23:117).
So, once again, my point is this: anyone who calls upon someone besides Allah is committing shirk. This is the consensus of all the scholars.
[تكذيب النصارى و تكذيب اليهود]
قال شيخ الإسلام ابن تيمية:
"كفرُ النصارى بتكذيب محمدٍ ﷺ و بمخالفة المسلمين أعظم من كفر اليهود بمجرد تكذيب المسيح؛ فإن المسيح لم ينسخ من شرع التوراة إلا قليلاً"
الجواب الصحيح لمن بدل دين المسيح
You are saying Ibn Kathir is fabricated?
Allah ﷻ says in Surat al-Fath, verse 29:
"Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those with him are firm against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating, seeking bounty from Allah and (His) pleasure. Their mark is on their faces, from the trace of prostration. That is their description in the Torah. And their description in the Gospel is like a plant that produces its offshoots, then strengthens them, then grows thick and stands firm on its stalks, delighting the sowers, so that He may enrage the disbelievers through them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness and a great reward."
Ibn Kathir said in his explanation of this verse:
"From this verse, Imam Malik, may Allah have mercy on him, in one narration from him, derived the ruling that the Rafidah who hate the Companions are disbelievers. He said: because they enrage them, and whoever enrages the Companions is a disbeliever by this verse. A group of scholars agreed with him on this."
Source: Ibn Kathir, Tafsir al-Qur'an al-Azim, on Surat al-Fath, verse 29.