IWonderWonderWonder

📖 Lifelong learner | 💜 Bangtan lover | 🧠 Growth mindset

[IWonderWonderWonder @BoraMindset]

What do we have here?

A new bora account. Well, a repurposed account anyway. I've been here quite a while.

Baby account, not baby ARMY.

Pro BTS/positivity/kindness.

Drama & negativity averse.

[Unapologetichotmess ⁷⁼¹ ⊙⊝⊜ ⟭⟬E ARE B⟬⟭CK @CoffeeDateBTS]

Two days ago, I posted about the difficulty Joon & Hobi face in making any kind of statement that could satisfy everyone.

The responses were interesting, including the ones that disagreed with me. You won't have seen all of the responses, but I did, and it was fascinating to see the range of views.

A number of people said some version of:

“They should have said SOMETHING.”

So I looked at what people responding to that post actually suggested that “something” should be.

WHAT SHOULD THEY SAY OR DO?

• An apology.
• An acknowledgement, but not necessarily an apology.
• An explanation of why they attended.
• An explanation of what they knew.
• A simple statement that there is never an excuse for violence against women.
• Reassurance about their values.
• A message specifically acknowledging fans who were hurt.
• A Live addressing it directly.
• A subtle message during a Live.
• An immediate statement saying they were aware of the concerns and looking into them.
• A donation to an organisation supporting women affected by violence.
• Changed behaviour rather than words.
• No statement at all.

WHEN SHOULD THEY SAY IT?

There was no agreement about timing either.
• They should have spoken immediately.
• They needed time to reflect.
• A couple of days would have been reasonable.
• It’s not too late now.
• It’s already too late now.

WHAT DOES THEIR SILENCE MEAN?

There was no agreement about that either.
• Silence is wise.
• Silence avoids feeding the controversy.
• Silence means they’re listening but choosing not to respond publicly.
• Silence makes them look complicit.
• Silence means they don’t care.
• Silence feels like betrayal.

WHAT DO THEY KNOW, THINK OR FEEL?

Throughout the responses, there were many, many assumptions being made about Joon and Hobi.
• They knew CB’s history.
• They didn’t know the extent of it.
• They understand why people are upset.
• They don’t understand why people are upset.
• They’re taking time to reflect.
• They’re deliberately ignoring the situation.
• They’re following PR advice.
• They’re receiving terrible PR advice.
• They don’t care.
• They care but know that speaking could make things worse.

Some of those things may be true. Some may not be.
We simply don’t know.

WHAT DOES EVERYONE ELSE WANT?

There were also plenty of assumptions about what other people in the fandom think, feel or would accept.

• ARMY just want them to acknowledge what happened.
• Most people would accept a simple statement.
• Hurt fans would accept a good-faith effort and move on.
• Fans who love them just want to know they’ve been heard.
• The people demanding a statement will never be satisfied.
• The people still angry are mostly antis or people acting in bad faith.
• Genuine ARMY would accept an apology.
• Genuine ARMY don’t need an apology.
• People asking for an apology want accountability.
• People asking for an apology want humiliation.

But the responses themselves show that ARMY do not all want the same thing.
None of us can speak for an entire fandom.

WHAT EXACTLY SHOULD THEY APOLOGISE FOR?

Even among people who wanted an apology, there wasn’t agreement about that.
• Attending the concert?
• Associating publicly with CB?
• What they knew or didn’t know beforehand?
• Posting afterwards?
• The impact on fans?
• Not responding sooner?

I’m not listing these to ridicule any of them. These are real responses from people with genuinely different expectations, experiences and feelings about the same situation.

Some are completely compatible with each other. Others directly contradict one another.

And these came from the responses to just one fan’s post across two platforms.

So when we say they should simply “say something,” I think it’s worth recognising just how many different versions of something people are actually asking for, and how much of the conversation surrounding that demand is being built on things none of us can actually know.

Imagine trying to construct the statement.

[Unapologetichotmess ⁷⁼¹ ⊙⊝⊜ ⟭⟬E ARE B⟬⟭CK @CoffeeDateBTS]

A little social media mental health exercise:

Pick a harmful hashtag.

Set a two-minute timer.

Block every account posting harmful content under it. Don’t reply. Don’t quote. Don’t engage. Just block.

When the timer goes off, close social media.

Go and see what people in the real world are actually talking about.

#BreatheWithBTS

[Unapologetichotmess ⁷⁼¹ ⊙⊝⊜ ⟭⟬E ARE B⟬⟭CK @CoffeeDateBTS]

I don’t like this. I wish they hadn’t done it.

I can say that without deciding that Namjoon and Hobi are bad people, without questioning everything I know about their character, and without defending a man who has been convicted of domestic violence.

I also don’t know what they knew about Chris Brown’s history, and neither does anyone else unless they choose to say so.

I’ve seen people insist that Brown’s history is so widely known that everyone must be familiar with it, and others, including Korean people, say they knew very little or nothing about it.

I’m Australian and terminally online and, until yesterday, my own knowledge amounted to a vague awareness that Chris Brown had been involved in violence or assault. I didn’t even know who the victim was. He simply isn’t an artist I follow.

That doesn’t prove BTS didn’t know. It just shows that “everyone knows” isn’t a reliable standard for what any specific person is aware of.

And even if they did know, I’m still allowed to think they made a disappointing choice without turning that into claims about their values or rewriting thirteen years of their behaviour around one moment.

Association isn’t automatically endorsement. Following someone isn’t automatically endorsement. Enjoying someone’s music isn’t automatically endorsement of their behaviour. At the same time, it’s still valid to question an association or feel uncomfortable about it.

I also won’t tell survivors of domestic violence how they should feel. I’ve seen survivors who are deeply hurt by this and others who defend BTS. Their responses belong to them, and there is no single “correct” reaction.

What I won’t do is shift focus away from the person responsible for the violence.

Chris Brown assaulted Rihanna. Chris Brown pleaded guilty. Chris Brown is responsible for Chris Brown’s violence. I had to look this up to be precise, and that in itself says something about how easily details can fade or be missed.

Namjoon and Hobi attended a concert and publicly associated with him. I wish they hadn’t.

Beyond that, I’m not going to fill in gaps with assumptions just because it feels more satisfying to reach a conclusion.

Sometimes “I don’t know” is still the most responsible place to stay.

[BIGHIT MUSIC @BIGHIT_MUSIC]

[기사] #방탄소년단 'FAKE LOVE' MV, 14억 뷰 돌파..통산 6번째 대기록
https://t.co/REwoAyiWlA

[Unapologetichotmess ⁷⁼¹ ⊙⊝⊜ ⟭⟬E ARE B⟬⟭CK @CoffeeDateBTS]

What if...

Imagine that the Recording Academy's problematic categories received zero submissions?

Not because there isn't extraordinary music being created around the world, but because the artists being boxed into those categories collectively decided a statement needed to be made.

Suddenly this wouldn't be a story about an awards show. It would become a global conversation about discrimination, fairness, and what happens when people collectively refuse to accept being treated differently.

That's a world I'd like to see.

#IStandWithBTS

[BTS_official @bts_bighit]

Jung Kook Exhibition is officially open! Step into his golden world today.

📆 Dates: December 12, 2025 ~ January 11, 2026
📍 Location: Mehboob Studios, 100 Hill Road, Bandra West, Mumbai, Maharashtra 400050, India
🔗 Get your tickets now: https://t.co/rrz1qTEKgn

#JungKook #정국 #JungKook_GOLDEN #TheMoments #HYBEINSIGHT
@HYBEINSIGHTtwt @HYBE_INDIA @bookmyshow @Bookmyshow_live

[BTS_official @bts_bighit]

진(Jin) 'RUNSEOKJIN_EP.TOUR' THE MOVIE SCREENX Poster

<Global>
🎬 SCREENX Screenings: Dec.27

<한국>
🎟️ 티켓 오픈: 12월 17일
🎬 국내 개봉: 12월 31일

🔎 Find tickets at https://t.co/opGpJsGe07
*Release dates and special format screenings may vary by region, so please check the official website

#진 #Jin #Jin_TOUR_Movie
#RUNSEOKJIN_epTOUR_Movie

[BTS_official @bts_bighit]

[VLOG] V’s VLOG in Hawaii
#하와이바람타고 #알로하아미
(https://t.co/lpiHOwVSK9)

#V #뷔 #BTS #방탄소년단

[Weverse 위버스 @weverseofficial]

[#Weverse_ListeningParty] BTS 'Spatial Audio' Listening Party🎧

⏰ Experience the rebirth of BTS’s songs in spatial audio, coming soon at 2:00 PM (KST)💫

Join the Listening Party to celebrate the release of BTS Apple Music Spatial Audio - ‘The Most Beautiful Moment In Life’ & ‘Love Yourself’ series!
Experience the immersive sounds of BTS's songs, and share your thoughts with ARMY from all around the world💜

*The artist is not scheduled to attend this Listening Party.
*The spatial audio tracks included in this Listening Party playlist are only available on Apple Music.

Join the Listening Party: https://t.co/FzBuQTm03S

#BTS #방탄소년단
#Weverse #위버스

[⁷ @Pk_bts_land]

I vote #jhope for #2025MAMAVOTE

[IWonderWonderWonder @BoraMindset]

I’m voting #jhope for the #2025MAMAVOTE

[IWonderWonderWonder @BoraMindset]

I’m voting #jhope for the #2025MAMAVOTE

[IWonderWonderWonder @BoraMindset]

I’m voting #jhope for the #2025MAMAVOTE

[JRJ ㉧㉣㉣ @LetsBeGoodHuman]

60K misisons x 7streams or so per mission = 420K streams.
And we didn't even take 24h.
Join us!
Create your account, go to your profile and link your lastfm
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[calvinklein @CalvinKlein]

Do you have your Calvins on? Jung Kook does.

[Unapologetichotmess ⁷⁼¹ ⊙⊝⊜ ⟭⟬E ARE B⟬⟭CK @CoffeeDateBTS]

I vote #JIN for #2025MAMAVOTE

[BorafyWV @BorafyWV]

Let's spread the word about MAMA voting on weverse! Every vote counts.

I vote for #jhope for the #2025MAMAVOTE

https://t.co/dxZT4B8iEm

[IWonderWonderWonder @BoraMindset]

Very happy to spread this message. The disgusting so-called ARMY behaviour needs to be called out for what it is.

You can't claim to love an artist and still support violating their rights to privacy and respect.

#LetsGetLoud
#EthicalFan
#RespectBTS

[Unapologetichotmess ⁷⁼¹ ⊙⊝⊜ ⟭⟬E ARE B⟬⟭CK @CoffeeDateBTS]

Honestly, we can talk about this until we’re blue in the face — but this is it. It couldn’t be more simple.

If you read this and still argue, still justify, still make excuses — there’s no help for you.

I just hope the chaos that follows the members doesn’t end in something serious one day. Because ignoring these basic guidelines leaves the door wide open for someone with truly bad intentions — and no amount of security will be enough to stop them if ARMY keeps handing over access.

ARMY needs to step up.

We need to deeply reflect on the behaviours and practices we’ve allowed under excuses like:

“It’s just the way it is.”

“Too many people don’t care — we can’t change anything.”

“The company needs to do better.”

No. We need to do better. Because these people are out there, calling themselves ARMY, standing in public spaces, in front of media, representing all of us — in the worst possible way.

They’re vocal.
They’re spreading the photos and videos that violate safety and privacy.
They scream their “love” while treating the members like objects.

And that’s what the public sees:

ARMY — out of control. No boundaries. No respect. No humanity.

You know me. I’m usually a pretty moderate presence here. So if I’m speaking out like this, it should tell you everything you need to know about how serious this has become.

It’s appalling.
It’s embarrassing to every fan who values ethical behaviour.
And it’s dragging ARMY’s reputation through the mud — just when we should be rising to meet the members’ return with dignity.

Some of you have already started getting loud, and I
f💜cking love it.

If you’ve been holding your tongue — this is your sign.

Add your voice. Even if it's just to plaster the etiquette graphic all over your social media. It will build visibility and make people realise that these vile people do not represent us.

Not just here, but on every platform where ARMY gathers. Xitter is only one corner of this fandom.

This fandom is powerful. Let’s use that power to protect, not harm.

#LetsGetLoud
#RespectBTS
#EthicalFan

[BIGHIT MUSIC @BIGHIT_MUSIC]

[기사] #BTS #제이홉, 한껏 섹시해진다..오늘(13일) 'Killin' It Girl (feat. GloRilla)' 발표
https://t.co/rzD5CWBPM3