@ouducks@tolepainter56@Truth_matters20 She still needed to be saved from original sin, even if she never personally committed a sin. Committing sin is like jumping into a muddy puddle. Original sin like falling into a pit. By God’s grace, God prevented Mary from falling in and having an inclination toward sin.
@ouducks@tolepainter56@Truth_matters20 It comes from her unique blessing because she is called “full of grace”. To be full of grace is to be without sin - from conception and onward without end.
@ouducks@tolepainter56@Truth_matters20 Right, but Mary is blessed in a unique way in which all generations called her blessed, which is absent from Psalm 112. If the blessing is the same, why aren’t we called blessed by all generations?
@ouducks@tolepainter56@Truth_matters20 You won’t find in exact words “Mary is the greatest” just like you won’t find “Jesus is God”. Why she is “greatest saved by grace” is based on being uniquely called “full of grace” and called blessed among women by all (Luke 1:28, 42, 48) - it’s because of how God graced her.
@ouducks@tolepainter56@Truth_matters20 “Greatest person” is Jesus. “Greatest among those born of women” is John the Baptist. “Greatest saved by grace” is Mary because she was saved at conception. Not every “greatest” is in the same sense.
@tilwayh36@Truth_matters20 This doesn’t address the contradiction, and that’s ok if you haven’t considered it before. Can you explain how exactly Catholicism obfuscates the gospel of Jesus Christ?
@tilwayh36@Truth_matters20 Yes I acknowledged that, but until you address how Jesus is exempt from original sin when he is a descendent of Adam, you have a contradictory theology. So how do you resolve this?
@coffeeguy_77@surmatants@needGod_net I���m not denying I said that, but it’s not a quote because I didn’t copy/paste. I already agreed “grace” is not in the text; all I’m asking you is whether “love” is a grace from God poured into our hearts, which you never answered.
@coffeeguy_77@surmatants@needGod_net I never quoted Romans 5:5 so I couldn’t have misquoted it; you’re the one who quoted it. I pointed you to where the Bible says grace is poured into our hearts. So can you explain why God’s love is not a grace poured into our hearts?
@coffeeguy_77@surmatants@needGod_net No, I don’t have reading issues. Right before you quoted Romans 5:5, you literally said “it says the love of God in your heart” - there’s no “has been poured out”. That’s a removal. Can you clarify why God’s love is not a grace of God?
@coffeeguy_77@surmatants@needGod_net Simple reading comprehension says you’ve removed “has been poured out” from the scripture, and that you’re arguing that God’s love is not a grace of God. Can you clarify why God’s love is not a grace of God?
@coffeeguy_77@surmatants@needGod_net Sure, but to be clear, your understanding of infused righteousness imploded by your own logic, not because I lack discernment: anything described in the Bible as a “grace of God” like eternal life, love, faith, salvation are all essentially not a grace of God at all.
@coffeeguy_77@surmatants@needGod_net Yes, it says “love” not “grace” but I’m not following why you say “wrong”. God’s love is a grace given to us by God, so why do you think his love is not God’s grace?
@coffeeguy_77@surmatants@needGod_net Yes, it’s God’s grace being poured into our hearts that makes us righteous. Infusion simply describes the action of “pouring in”.