@edibletom But it does require debate and a defence of that particular moral position. The proposal is that politicians should legislate to prevent doctors even from conducting a clinical trial. The need to debate ideology is inescapable.
@Fudds13 But what about the medical treatment that we are talking about here? Hormonal or even surgical treatment? If you’re just following the science, and the science says sex-change is impossible, would you ban that for everyone?
@zombiestyled@KemiBadenoch I have made no such claim. I am asking you to take the principle you set out (“nature doesn’t make mistakes”) and apply it with consistency.
@HodsonAnn@zombiestyled@KemiBadenoch It is relevant to the statement “nature doesn’t make mistakes”, which is what I was responding to, particularly when that statement is adduced (as here) as grounds for opposing medical treatment.
@lunettaporchett@KemiBadenoch On the point of whether children can consent, you should probably also research Gillick competence. The legal position is not as clear as you suggest.
@lunettaporchett@KemiBadenoch That may be correct, but you are now setting out a *moral* argument, based on an ideological position. I may well agree with you, but in a democracy all such arguments are open to proper debate, and debate is easier when all sides acknowledge their ideological foundations.
@edibletom@KemiBadenoch You may be correct in every word you have written above. I may well agree with you. But you have just set out…very eloquently…a *moral*, rather than purely scientific, argument, which is open to debate on moral grounds. No need to shy away from that: ideology is fine.
@Foucaulttodo@KemiBadenoch So, if that is your position, would you oppose any medical treatment for trans people of *any* age? Do you suggest that Parliament should legislate to ban all such treatment??
@helensaxby11@KemiBadenoch Of course it is ideologically driven. I have not argued equivalence. I am pointing out that *any* position in this debate is ideological and therefore requires defending. No one can put themselves beyond that, no matter how much they claim to be following the science.
@lunettaporchett@KemiBadenoch Of course that is correct. But it is ideological to call these trials, without qualification, child abuse. That may be correct, but it’s a fallacy to say that only one side is driven by ideology. This is not a fight between science and ideology, but between competing ideologies.