@joycloete@Xpress2310@ReemAmirIbrahim All poor citizens of .. south africa? So one group using coercice power to distribute property to another group but not providing universality - just local redistribution. Personally I value people as people and their autonomy regardless of the land they were born in.
@joycloete@Xpress2310@ReemAmirIbrahim What is your standard for perfection? Universal coverage? Name a state that provides that? We're one species. Its groups using coercion at the expense of others, often outside their scope through collective bargaining/protectionism. Subscription can be universally non-coercive.
@joycloete@Xpress2310@ReemAmirIbrahim You seem to have a notion that it is impossible groups of free people to collaborate around provision of social goods. Where does that assumption come from? An absolutist requirement for universality at any cost? There is no universal coverage under socialism. We're one species.
@joycloete@Xpress2310@ReemAmirIbrahim That depends on the terms of the subscription contract under offer. You seem to implicitly peg to a standard of universal access without acknowledging the opportunity costs of doing so (coercion, diversity of solutions / possible innovation and delayed progress in its absence)
@TeeseeLFC@ReemAmirIbrahim I don't think it has a moral mandate, at least by my ethics. One thing I find about people's "ethics" is assumed universalism. Anarchists get that's suspect. Death of states? Through outperformance of alternatives vs incompetence mostly. Maybe Mars different constitutionally.
@joycloete@Xpress2310@ReemAmirIbrahim Subscription. With the type of culture / market being suggested here a society gets the consequences of their free actions. Total bedlam / starvation ... or, because they are pretty big disincentives, emergent solutions. There is an opportunity cost to coercive universality.
@TeeseeLFC@ReemAmirIbrahim Rousseau and a good articulation of it. Pretty loaded / suspect ideology though in this case; there is no explicit or implied consent in the social contract that modern nation state taxation implies. It's two wolves and a sheep voting what dinner is.
@JohnMcHugh1878@DennisLaws95789@ReemAmirIbrahim You say that but shill implies she doesn't believe the position she is advocating. @ReemAmirIbrahim obviously does believe what she is saying. That renders your comment your own anti-privatisation views delivered as an ad hominem attack dressed up as an attack on integrity.
@parmita@elonmusk I had not appreciated this. Where are the actual factories making the parts? It's super smart as Mars will require total vertical integration to become independent.
This is also what humans do. We don't start life with an innate capacity to logically plan and rationally think through stuff. We are pattern matching creatures born with the capacity to learn that and are prone to all sorts of predictable 'hallucinations'. The same also appears to be true for self-awareness and mindful agency, with the added (and eerily AI like) quality that this necessitates social interaction and language.