@earlboykins@MrLukowski Roughly speaking the timeline was:
New wave/postpunk (late 70s, early 80s)
College rock (80s) - radio term
Indie rock (late 80s) -independent label biz model
Alt rock (90s) - absorbed/rebranded these underground and college-radio movements as they scaled toward the mainstream
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@earlboykins@MrLukowski I'm not as sure the "resistance to corporate mechanics" was all that much later TBH
Smiths called it a day in 1987
By then, the Mats, Husker and REM were all flirting with major labels/signed to them and it was an existential question in the air as to whether that = sellout
@earlboykins@MrLukowski On indie label (Rough Trade)
Way ahead of other guitar-based bands typically described as "indie" even on this list; also no solos (see: REM)
DIY aesthetic
Lyrical vulnerability, alienation, redefined the notion of masculinity (anti-macho, bookish/Oscar Wilde references)
@misterminsoo AR Kane is more a precursor to shoegaze/dream pop than "hardcore." I have more of an issue with Smiths, Pixies, Slint, Galaxie 500, Afghan Whigs & Unwound not being on the list even though I do think some indie progenitors (REM, Minutemen) beg why others (Mats, Husker) are not.
@closfeliciano@earlboykins "Elliott Smith's first two acoustic based albums are punk in spirit" LOL -- it really just puts the lie to all genre constructs other than the most Lester Bangs-like of "good" and "garbage"
@taemaxxing@pitchfork Sure they did.
I have written about music (more than a thousand bylines in dozens of publications) for more than twenty years.
So I don't even begin to understand why you are being so obstinate about this.
They also called it post punk, goth, etc. Not that I agreed.
A starter kit of misses:
1. The Smiths
2. The Cure
3. My Bloody Valentine
4. Echo & the Bunnymen
5. Primal Scream
6. Joy Division/New Order
7. Teenage Fanclub
8. Replacements
9. Husker Du
10. Tortoise
11. Unwound
12. Afghan Whigs
13. Mudhoney
14. NIRVANA?
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@taemaxxing@pitchfork Who cares.
"Underground" did.
"Goth" did and was used to describe the Doors?
"Indie" literally means "independent label" which is what Joy Division was on -- Factory.
Is it too hard to just, you know, use the web?
@taemaxxing@pitchfork 1. Those labels are made up constructs. "Grunge" was hated by every band that was ever called that. Means nothing
2. Nirvana and Whigs both started on Sub Pop.
3. Unwound are awesome and can literally be found by using the internet. Which applies to the rest of what I've written
@taemaxxing By what definition?
@pitchfork's certainly was vague at best
I actually like Wiki's better, below
but "being on an indie label at some point (likely at the start)' is really where the term even came from back in ye olde dark ages
@kgyhe0 Oh you're just a contrarian not-Gen Xer who is looking to pick fights with strangers on the internet for no good reason other than to say "I can" -- save it for someone who actually cares about pointless hobbies