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[CountLuna @count_luna]

@AnnRoselynnn In Italy, public university is by definition public. So yes (unless the class has specific limits/rules). We had known "guests" for years in humanities. Other counties, no idea. France has something similar I think

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@smokepetrol @ChrisWillcoxSTL I get it (and indeed it shouldn't be that hard to get for those on the left of things :) ). Just wondering why present it in such an oppositional way rather than simply say we should e.g. reappropriate the concept. Tl;Dr gotta read health communism I guess

[CountLuna @count_luna]

@itsoliviaben 4/ visto che ti piace parlare di argomenti, il fatto che lo facciano altri vip e cantanti non lo rende cmq corretto. Quella che hai usato è una fallacia (ad populum). Era na merda pure quando lo faceva Avril Lavigne in Giappone o major lazer in India per dire

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@itsoliviaben 3/ il turismo che sta roba genera impatta la qualità della vita da affitti assurdi per americani fessacchiotti, a folle insostenibili nei mesi estivi e via dicendo

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@itsoliviaben 2/ a livello locale ste pecionate folkloristiche servono a vari potentati locali per rafforzare la presenza sul territorio, coprire magagne coi panini (provincia di Roma famosa per NON essere piena di mafia in politica fino al collo)

[CountLuna @count_luna]

@itsoliviaben 1/ Sorvoliamo sull'idea che "non capisci un cazzo" sia invece roba profondissima. Cmq ok:
- l'idea di provincia parco giochi per vip impatta direttamente la vita di chi abita in quei posti, dato che favorisce investimenti sul turismo da cartolina rispetto ai servizi essenziali

[CountLuna @count_luna]

@EB4499707432315 @g_sr @Pappagallorosa1

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@itsoliviaben Si ma rilassati

[ape attack survivor @pissvortex]

I, Christ-like, have decided to take on all our our collective suffering and actually listen to the whole panel.

The correct parts, which in all fairness comprise the majority of the discussion, are as follows:

- “Make America Healthy Again” RFK Jr. seed oil/anti-vax BS is fascist hokum
- The “obesity epidemic” in America is a result of our food systems’ priorities of cost-cutting, profit-maximizing, and hijacking of libidinal desire rather than actual need
- Poor people are the most susceptible to this form of exploitation
- Rather than change the systems, or the economic system responsible for force-feeding people corn syrup slop, “Health Fascism” predicates unhealthiness as a moral failing that must be socially punished as degeneracy
- This social punishment and ostracization as a method of reshaping the self rather than addressing the root systemic cause is a mirror of how fascism operates in general across society, positioning poverty as moral badness and access to wealth and social prestige as moral goodness (See also: Friedrich Nietzsche)

While true, none of this is particularly new or controversial, as people have been writing about the moralization and ritual torture of poor people with bad diets at least since The Biggest Loser was on the air. Nevertheless, this gets completely overshadowed in the public discourse surrounding the panel by the bad parts (which are of course clipped and mocked by reactionaries such as in the post below):

- Speakers claim that since attempting to be healthy without addressing root systemic causes of unhealthiness through revolution requires accepting tacitly on some level that poor health is an individual moral failing / that it can be overcome individually, it should not be attempted at all. This leads one of the speakers to bizarrely state (jokingly?) that, “The more dysgenic (you are), the better.”
- Speakers claim several times that there is a “genocide of fat people,” which is both a loose application of the word genocide and a fundamental reordering of the base and structure in this equation (i.e., it is poor people made to be unhealthy because they are poor, not fat people made to be poor because they are fat. yes i know that thinness can be unhealthy and body fat can be healthy, but broad strokes here)
- Speakers seemingly tacitly accept the linking of “fatness” and “blackness,” rather than recognizing being fat and black as a pejorative primarily because of one’s blackness, rather than their fatness.
- Standard academic dilemma in which disciplinarity produces disciplinary language that is often unrecognizable to broader audiences and contributes to the overall poor optics

Regarding the poor optics: When pitching arguments and ideas at conferences, not all of them are going to be winners. We can’t just silence all potential conversation on the off chance that it might be a dumb argument or else no new ideas will be produced. Likewise, no matter what, the political right is going to clip these arguments uncharitably and present them as representative of leftist ideology as a whole. That is going to happen no matter what, whether we like it or not. Our discussions will never be comprised of only unimpeachable, uncontroversial statements. We can use this as an opportunity to acknowledge good arguments and cull bad arguments from future discussions, though.

[CountLuna @count_luna]

@Nicole_Lee_Sch Honestly, the debate about Adler-Bolton has begun in massive bad faith, but can anyone point to any real gymbro communist of relevance? Aside from a couple of lone chuds with 20 followers tops, I've sincerely never seen anyone make even remotely comparable arguments

[CountLuna @count_luna]

@ChrisWillcoxSTL Absolutely not in a confrontational way, but doesn't this simply call for a non fascist definition of fitness, rather than a dismissal of it? One that is not hierarchical but based on community? Felt like such a contrarian way to frame the debate tbh

[Andrés Bernal 🇨🇴🇺🇸 @andresintheory]

The person at the socialism conference talking about the fascist elements of our culture’s obsession with fitness is in essence correct. But the point is not to hate working out or being healthy. The point is to stop seeing a perfectionist ideal as the only type of person worth being and protecting. On the flip side, the left needs to learn to communicate this in a way that doesn’t sound like an insular graduate seminar. There is way more appetite for this than people think if the argument was made more accessible and politically strategic. Judith Butler knows how to do this well but many others do not.

[CountLuna @count_luna]

@smelltouchfeel Definitely not. But you still need a body to run a kitchen, to organize mutual aid, to hide from the robot dogs, even to think. You can call it how you want, you can (and should) reject fascist notions and practices of fitness, but we're still embodied creatures in the end

[CountLuna @count_luna]

@itsoliviaben Si è letteralmente affittata una piazza per vendere un'idea fittizia di "Roma" a adolescenti americane. Magari cerchiamo di essere coerenti anche con quelli che ci piacciono dai

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@itsoliviaben Sei tu?

[CountLuna @count_luna]

@guychristensen_ To me the annoying part is that in the full conference she kinda covers it with the concept of "care" in the end but made the most unappealing and exploitable argument ever to get there (plus indeed the absurd reading of revolutions)

[CountLuna @count_luna]

@rabiddogkt Rejecting fitness under capitalism is different from rejecting fitness. Framing care as cooperative, non agonal, fitness (play, some would even say) would not have raised the storm that the easily bait-able excerpt did. Also, the issue of labour gets a bit lost in it imho

[CountLuna @count_luna]

@shitTOGv2 Saw another video in which she uses as examples of disabled people that made revolutions Che Guevara (due to asthma). But those are prepared bodies, Guerrilla wasn't improvised!
I think the video is challenging some sort of "left wing Andrew Tate wish" which nobody ever had.

[CountLuna @count_luna]

@shitTOGv2 Rejecting the preparedness of bodies as an aspect of revolution is wild. I could understand rejecting regimentation, militarization, and canons, but Jesus Christ, this is literally whining for change

[Non sono Cinzia @Iosonolagomma]

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