@Gloryneche1@Josh_with_Sauce Hello dear Glory, I do get what you are saying and this is true
But looking at what Josh said, I don’t think he is wrong because what he said is also correct, Christ gave his life for us and we are to respond by believing and also giving our life
2 corin. 5: 17, Matt.16:25🙏
@AyeniSamuelDayo It is not hell, it’s the lose of rewards we don’t have any idea of what it is like when you stand before the Lord and you receive nothing because you spent your life time on worldly pleasures wasting the reason for existence.
Not loosing his life for the Lords sake
Apostasy for a believer is for many reasons than meets the eye and it requires proper investigation like whether they truly believed and if they did why leave or wanting to leave.
But the consequences isn’t hell, it’s as strong and weighty but not hell.
@souljaerii @israelajala131@jideadekunle_ The Scripture clearly warns about apostasy.
The scripture also talks about believing till the end.
You guys are always big on interpretation until it's the same John 3:16 which verb is a continuous action.
Now think about the analogy he is using, with all due respect this wrong.
Human life is temporal if I cut it, it will gosh out and run out
But eternal life, it’s not mine it was given to me by the Lord Jesus and even if I cut myself it can’t run out dry it’s eternal
@IamAkinfolarin@israelajala131@jideadekunle_ And I also trust the Lord that you see clearly and know to engage conversations with people for the sake of knowing why they hold onto certain belief systems and perhaps see what’s right and wrong rather making conclusions and interpreting scriptures dogmatically
God bless you!
If the motivation of a believer is to make heaven then he needs to be sinlessly perfect
If the motivation of our Christian walk is so we don’t go to hell, we are only serving God out of fear.
Once you understand sonship, everything in Christianity begins to make sense.
@IamAkinfolarin Brother, firstly you didn’t answer my question on the regenerative work of God
Because it seems you know it.
It is well, I pray the Lord help us see clearly
You also don’t want me to send a DM, I can’t have a scholarly interaction with you
The Lord bless your heart. Amen🙏
I can’t fully explain it here because I don’t have a blue check, I’d you’d care to get a proper interpretation I’d be happy to share 🙏
It’s not proper exegesis to take texts and read them in isolation, to fit a particular narrative, that’s not how hermeneutics works.
@IamAkinfolarin@israelajala131@jideadekunle_ Yes it does it against apostasy with strong warnings but for what reason, it’s not lose of salvation it’s for a loss something also as strong but this one is for the believer.
Yes it talks about believing till the end, but for what is the goal of it, it’s not to make heaven.
@IamAkinfolarin Akin I’m not trying to win or lose with you, we both love the Lord and I can perceive you actually desire doctrinal accuracy
Would you like to genuinely and sincerely engage this conversation in the DMs, if yes kindly send a DM
I want use to examine it
@IamAkinfolarin@israelajala131@jideadekunle_ I deleted my response, firstly because to explain it I can’t do that properly in comments I can’t freely type as much
Dear brother, kindly send a DM so we can both examine the interpretation
Also you didnt answer my question on regeneration, why is that, you don’t know it?
The book of Hebrews requires care in interpretation, and this all starts with how we even interpret texts and not just that but also our fundamental/ foundational doctrinal cores are.
@IamAkinfolarin@israelajala131@jideadekunle_ Was in the statement as well so I addressed that, but my bad
I’d touch that now, but before I do
With what I just shared about Gods permanent regenerative work of making you His child, can mans action of sin undo Gods regenerative work of spiritual birth?
Answer that
Jesus didn’t give His spirit to someone who genuinely believed temporarily waiting for the person to sin, so that he can excuse himself from the person
Instead he gave his spirit to us forever, an eternal helper and comforter
Do you see the obvious contradiction. You are saved because you believe in Jesus, meaning your choice to believe and Jesus coming into your heart based on that gets you saved.
Then somehow if you change your mind and curse God and disbelieve in him that same Jesus that entered your heart because you believed will stay there for what reason exactly?
The Bible doesn't teach this by any stretch.
@jideadekunle_@israelajala131 Peter that loved Jesus when they started persecuting Jesus didn’t stay with the mindset of love for Jesus but changed his mouth and cursed that he didn’t know him.
Gods regenerative work is permanent, bad behavior can vary for various reasons but doesn’t undo birth
@jideadekunle_@israelajala131 When someone cursed God and changes their mind, is due to many reasons but that doesn’t change spiritual birth
My question is firstly when the Bible says the spirit regenerates a man, does a man’s action of sin undo Gods regenerative work?