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@ubi_works Recipe for tyranny. See https://t.co/ZijnekiKk4 for the logical alternative that empowers individuals, rather than the poison of overly centralized power and its well-known poison.
The Canadian 'Mosaic' term was made famous in a 1938 award winning book, back when the great majority of Canadian immigrants were coming from largely European backgrounds.
The thesis was really a non-starter beyond such small groups such as Mennonites etc. By the next two or three generations, almost all the immigrant populations had seamlessly and almost completely integrated.
Some variance in religious observances and special dishes, but no fundamental differences, European separation of church and state agreed on and so on. So today, the Mosaic term makes even less sense (but still sounds nice).
World still runs on what I think Norbert Wiener called the rule of ruthlessness, for sure he inferred it.
So how to build the global structures to ameliorate this?
The Money Power has failed and is dissolving into the usual totalitarianism expected from overly centralized power structure.
Bandwidth, not bottlenecks for the future.
Each 'image' divine spark, allowed to bloom, as that individual sees fit, absent harm to another.
@sarobertson_ As futurist Alvin Toffler inferred, there has yet to be a civilization that is truly humane. Carney is tied into the financial structure that basically rapes poorer countries. See https://t.co/ZijnekiKk4 for an alterative to Carney and WEF's dystopian Great Reset
@VraserX See https://t.co/q5VoDMrGsr or https://t.co/ZijnekiKk4 for an ownership society, worked on for decades; created by a merchant banker and lawyer for real justice, Louis Kelso. God works in mysterious ways.
Anything physically possible is financially possible, without inflation, lose your superstitions and illusions fed to you are how money is created (almost all as debt, at compounding/exponential interest), dispersed (through high level shell games) and destroyed (as loans are repaid). See https://t.co/bEUaQMZ6T5 for more.
I basically said Douglas, and you, shut off a very viable and valuable view of spirituality, as in rejection of human authority, which includes a firm belief there is a hard barrier between the divine and what we perceive as matter.
I emphasized the unknowable aspect while you basically quoted stricture on your stance before putting in a caveat, finally, that 'it was your position. Say this is in the first place instead of inferring I had to be wrong by proof of nothing, would have precluded this side quest into spiritual specifics.
@per_arneng@VraserX Binary economics, as a https://t.co/q5VoDMrGsr , has a gradual approach, but could be backstopped by a negative income tax as the age change is being held off.
See https://t.co/bEUaQMZ6T5 for more. Below a cautionary tale when Senator Gravel's GSOC lost out to a SWF for Alaska.
Binary Economics
A detailed plan already exists to move society toward Norbert Wiener’s positive future. It is based on an economic model known as Binary Economics (BE). Binary economics was introduced in a book entitled The Capitalist Manifesto (1958) by merchant banker and corporate lawyer Louis Kelso. Kelso viewed financial institutions not merely as wealth-generation tools for the elite, but as practical levers for widespread, fundamental monetary and economic reform. Through his banking practice, Kelso sought to prove that democratized capital credit could successfully fund corporate growth while expanding ownership.
The central financial engine designed by Louis Kelso relied on self-liquidating capital credit, a mechanism allowing individuals to acquire productive assets entirely on credit. The debt would be repaid by the future earnings of the assets themselves, eventually yielding a continuous dividend income to the new owners without requiring them to risk their own personal savings or wages. Banks routinely rely on future earnings for loans, but they require physical collateral, and so shut out much of the population from being shareholders in wealth producing assets.
To implement this architecture across different sectors of the economy, Kelso designed a suite of specialized financial mechanisms. His most famous invention, the Employee Stock Ownership Plan (ESOP), was first structured in 1956 to allow workers to buy out retiring corporate owners. The ESOP was essentially a prototype. Kelso had a much bigger idea than employee ownership of wealth producing assets. He was concerned with the question of how will the economy get income to people who need it —especially in an increasingly automated production society.
He extended this logic to other stakeholders with the Consumer Stock Ownership Plan, designed so customers of capital-intensive monopolies, like utilities, could build equity in the infrastructure they rely on and use dividends to offset their bills. Similarly, the Related Enterprise Stock Ownership Plan allowed supply chain partners like franchisees or distributors to buy ownership stakes in their primary manufacturing corporations, while the Residential Capital Ownership Plan was conceptualized to lower housing costs by reforming how central bank mortgage credit is generated.
Beyond corporate finance, Kelso aimed for macroeconomic restructuring through the General Stock Ownership Plan (GSOP), designed for citizens of a specific geographic jurisdiction to collectively hold and benefit from regional assets or natural resources. This concept was famously championed by Senator Mike Gravel in the 1970s as a way for the state of Alaska to manage its incoming oil wealth. Gravel successfully established a federal legal framework for a GSOP, envisioning a system where every Alaskan would receive voting, dividend-paying stock. This would have granted citizens genuine private equity and legally protected property rights over their share of the state's resource wealth.
However, the GSOP faced political resistance at the state level, leading Alaska to pivot toward a sovereign wealth model instead. The state established the Alaska Permanent Fund and later began issuing the Permanent Fund Dividend (PFD). While the PFD distributed capital earnings to the population, the citizens did not own legal stock in the fund; it remained a state-run program subject to legislative appropriation.
This structural difference proved critical in the mid-2010s when plunging oil prices created massive state budget deficits. Because the dividend was not a legally protected private property right, the Alaskan government was able to slash the payouts, diverting the remaining earnings into general revenues to fund state operations. This sequence of events ultimately validated Kelso’s core warning: unless citizens hold legally binding, decentralized private property rights to capital, the state retains the power to commandeer the wealth. Alaskans received $1,000 in 2025, while the previously promised amount was close to $3,900. Lawmakers opted for a lower payout to protect state services and the fund's principal amid fluctuating oil revenues.
The binary nomenclature in binary economics emphasizes that there are two factors in human wealth production, labor and capital. It rejects the propaganda that treats capital as a subset of labor, another thing that Wall Street holds in common with Marxism.
The reality is that labor is becoming less and less of a factor in wealth creation. Capital is the primary driver, by magnitudes upon magnitudes. The false labor ‘theory of value’ premise underlying Marxist and Wall Street economics is becoming increasingly ridiculous as automation advances. Binary economics, with capital in its own category, has been the logical mainstream economic underpinning for many decades now. However that outlook would have led to unpleasant questions for the elites, who have corralled most of the capital of the unpatented inventions and innovations of humanity through history with their unjust monetary system.
Binary economics is fundamentally different from the WEF vision for the future — almost its opposite. It promotes that everyone be an owner of shares in productive property, which are under their direct control. It is true stakeholder capitalism where stakeholders actually have a say. The WEF claim they are advancing stakeholder capitalism, with the individual in mind, but the individual has no say. The WEF doublespeak would be more accurately termed a ‘we’ll decide capitalism’. You don’t have to worry about a robot taking your job when you own the robot and its production. Each and every individual is empowered and respected. That the inventor was both a banker and lawyer serves as a lesson in not judging a book by its cover.
Maybe you didn't hear yourself, claiming to have definitive knowledge of how it must be in regards to the Spirit's level of entanglement with our physical world, as discerned by us.
That my view, not even a rare one, must be wrong; because....Zoroastrian tradition? Can we throw in the river Hades as a bridge?
Congrats on finally qualifying with: 'my position'. Fine. My position is we don't know, but evidence points to some level of entanglement of all energetic forces.
What I am trying to get across (w/o success), is that no one yet has even close to the knowledge to say if some manner of spirit might not be entangled with the energetic fields of what we perceive as matter. What we don't know about matter dwarfs current knowledge.
It's not that your line of reasoning is hard to understand. It's the premise it rests on; that everything is known about reality, when new discoveries keep popping up; along with more question. It seems you want me to replace blind belief with an open mind and consideration of more, sometimes much newer, information. Below is just a couple basics
Not a member of any organized religion FWIW. Hinduism is perhaps closest to what is happening the field of quantum mechanics. The ultimate reality is Brahman—an unmanifest, infinite, and non-local field of pure consciousness that matches the modern scientific pursuit of a Unified Field. Rather than viewing the cosmos as a collection of dead, isolated atoms, Vedic philosophy states that all matter, energy, and localized minds are simply temporary, vibrating ripples (Maya) emerging from this single, unbroken substrate. Just as quantum field theory shows that physical particles collapse out of a wave of infinite potential when observed, Hinduism views the material universe not as an independent mechanism, but as a self-referential loop of a singular divine consciousness dynamically experiencing itself.
Zoroaster and Christianity both fell victim to being compromised and corrupted to further state power.
Alpha ape dominance hierarchy stuff imo. Mani, Gnostics etc slaughtered, Arius maybe a reprieve? All religions being used for dominance hierarchies, more beast than God.
In any case. I don't take my Spiritual direction from these deeply flawed religions, or philosophical traditions regarding exceedingly simplistic ideas around good and evil.
Some elements in some holy works sound great, minding the contradictions in the books.
While Zoroastrianism views evil as an absolute, uncreated cosmic adversary (Angra Mainyu) locked in an equal war against the Light, the Vedic tradition rejects this binary, defining evil instead as a temporary illusion of separation (Avidya) and an ignorance of the universal field. Ultimately, Zoroaster requires the total military and spiritual destruction of an external enemy, whereas the Vedic framework treats evil as a systemic sickness of perception that is naturally corrected through the energetic feedback loop of Karma.
Honestly, I think the topic is beyond your paradigms. And note the Douglas quote here, it's about excessive materialism, (not about matter per se) at the cost of spirituality; a not unusual claim; and one I support strongly.
Douglas used molecules anyways in the quote that preceded it (you added atoms), but the concept is the same. Again, atoms themselves only occupy one level of many nest levels of existence, very near the lower end of our current observation tools.
It was a poor choice of analogy for the push for collectivism, understandable due to the limited atomic (hence molecule) knowledge in Douglas' time. The Descarte's and co. Scientific Revolution did throw out the baby with the bathwater of religious superstition; the baby being of course a more holistic, spiritual outlook, to work with in tandem with the amazing new scientific discoveries.
@RealSocred Said pretty well the exact opposite that current atomic knowledge exhausts reality. Went beyond, took it down to quarks, next level undiscovered (molecules is up the nested hierarchy some). That the Divine is incandescent there in ways unknowable no doubt.
Re-read, pls.
@RealSocred Not the root cause. Warfare existed as a frequent occurrence long, long before the Money Power came on the scene.
It manipulated the inevitable conflicts as a matter of realpolitik but history shows root causes go much deeper.