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@swamthetiber25 Where in scripture do we see that the saints are alive in heaven? Often Matt 22:32 is cited “He is not the God of the dead but of the living” yet that entire interaction is about the resurrection. Jesus is not making a declaration about the current state of the dead here.

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@Wesley_Todd_ The problem with this online discussion is everyone is operating with their own subjective definition the word “Christian”, and even “Judeo” to an extent. We talk past each other because we assume everyone is using the word the way we mean it.

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@jacob9292811809 @briankeepsworth I have friends that make the same arguments you do and no disrespect but they’re really bad

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@djh0094 @AshMaiz @briankeepsworth I understand that orthodoxy adopted Jewish practices in their liturgy. I plan on attending sometime, my friend converted to orthodoxy and has invited me

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@jacob9292811809 @briankeepsworth You use the term Christian in a sense thats foreign to the New Testament. Christian was a name given to a group that was almost entirely devout Jews practicing Judaism. These same Jews wrestled with how gentiles could be included in the plan of salvation, which is of the Jews!

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@djh0094 @AshMaiz @briankeepsworth I’m not moving anything. Just trying to understand you here. It’s quite clear in acts that Paul continues to live as a Jew, his life revolving around the jewish calendar. He’s even accused of teaching against Moses and wholeheartedly denies it. Multiple times.

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@jacob9292811809 @briankeepsworth There is also no male or female. That’s not literal though. It’s in relation to our standing in the kingdom

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@djh0094 @AshMaiz @briankeepsworth Not everything has been fulfilled yet. Where do you get this idea that Jesus fulfilled Judaism and started the new thing called Christianity

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@jacob9292811809 @briankeepsworth Correct. Brian, however, acts as though it’s all encompassing and Jews cease to be Jews after becoming a disciple

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@briankeepsworth Jews here was used to contrast with the gentiles. The gentiles are also used in contrast with the brethren. But when a new or gentile comes to faith in the Jewish messiah, they don’t cease to be a Jew or a gentile and magically become some 3rd thing. They remain as they are

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@GeorgiosCanada @AshMaiz @briankeepsworth Justin Martyr claimed God has no need for incense. Clement of Alexandria spiritualizes incense, doesn’t claim a physical literal use of it, Tertullian was against it as well. Athenagoras of Athens says God does not require the fragrance of flowers or incense.

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@TCultivations @paxtherock @briankeepsworth Correct

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@GeorgiosCanada @AshMaiz @briankeepsworth Orthodoxy came into form after Constantine. Before that there were no vestments, no processions, no incense. Certainly no icons.

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@UpwardSenility @AshMaiz @briankeepsworth I could make a similar argument about the state of Christendom today.

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@PEnumberTwo @paxtherock @briankeepsworth Paul uses the term circumcision as shorthand for Jewish identity. This is well known. And if a religion of the Jewish messiah who’s King of Israel and will reign from davids throne in Jerusalem, was spread to all nations by Jewish apostles/disciples isnt Jewish then idk what is.

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@UpwardSenility @AshMaiz @briankeepsworth You talk about Christianity as if it was immediately something different than Judaism in the first century.

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@GeorgiosCanada @AshMaiz @briankeepsworth Tis not.

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@INRIYHWH @paxtherock @briankeepsworth If the catholic church is the new Israel, does that mean that God has rejected the Jews?

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@PEnumberTwo @paxtherock @briankeepsworth Paul literally has a rule in all his churches where he says whoever was called while circumcised (Jewish) is not to become uncircumcised (gentile) and any who was called while uncircumcised (gentile) is not to seek circumcision (become Jewish). Jews and gentiles retain identity.

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@djudication @briankeepsworth They were first called Christian’s in Antioch. But they were Jews, practicing Judaism, following the Jewish messiah. There is an inherent distinction today, but not really in the first century. What they were doing couldn’t have been more Jewish.