@therealumikyuu@BrandonRStreams You're assigning a connotation that they may not even be implying. You automatically assume by saying "manga is for the masses and not art" that means its lesser. How do you know the japanese word they're using actually implies that? Nowhere are they saying that manga is lesser
@Th3MangaAddict Notion that people aren't just arguing they have no choice to pirate certain things, but that pirating the works itself is a good thing. I think if people admit to them "we know its not okay" that would calm a lot of the discourse
@Th3MangaAddict I mean, I think something not many people are asking and is a big part if the grievances is: do you consider the act of piracy a good or bad thing? Regardless of no legal alternatives, is the act itself good or bad? I think many japanese people take issue with the perceived
@Askinsgift@RaineYiVTube Why is it morally acceptable? You can argue its justifiable if theres no other way to obtain it, but the action of pirating is still benefiting from someones labor without compensating them for it. I pirate too but at least I admit its not morally sound to do so
@_elelfe@jinse_hokoonchi He's explaining what it means for something "to be made almost 100% for Japanese" which is in the post you originally responded to
@DeuxEhx888@arthunn@jinusu Government, or a rich sponsor. "Art" in that sense is not tied to commercial success. I don't think they mean that manga is not moving, though provoking, beautiful, etc. But that the nature of its funding is different than "art"
@DeuxEhx888@arthunn@jinusu Poetic and conceptual term. What it seems to me is that "products for entertainment" like manga need continuous purchases and funding from people to keep existing, tying a commercial element to them. While "art" does not, and can be funded from a single source like an institution
@RaeinTilgung@jinusu I believe the distinction they're making is that "products" like manga are created with the intention to earn money, and cannot exist without continuious funding from people. While "art" does not need the continued purchase from people to exist and can be created from passion or
@Yurio18561125@NerdCraveYT@evermoreau And what if making it just as cheap everywhere loses money from the distribution costs, translations, quality assurance, etc?
@nodespaghett@A2522@noloryno How is pirating obviously not immoral? The pirate takes a product of someones labor without compensation. If pirating is not immoral, then if everyone always pirated things that wouldn't be a net negative? This would benefit the artist if everyone pirated their work?
@irxson@katusikatarou@AngelOfRedmoon And who should be providing this service? The japanese should because they understandly don't like piracy? We've just established its ridiculous to expect them to cover all distribution and translations. But thats what you're expecting them to do or stop complaining about piracy
@nodespaghett@A2522@noloryno Doing it. Is it a massive moral failing? No, but it still is slightly immoral and it seems like no one is willing to accept that
@nodespaghett@A2522@noloryno Is your argument that piracy is moral? The act itself is benefitting from someones labor without compensating them. Why is it so hard to admit that piracy is unavoidable, usually a service issue, and also not moral. I pirate things all the time but I don't pretend I'm moral for
@h_hunter7@crom_BB@Erundel Why is your proposed solution a single person going to japan to bring back works and translate them? Companies should work with jp companies to get licenses to distribute and translate the works
@irxson@katusikatarou@AngelOfRedmoon You said "if manga publishers refuse to offer global distribution or translations, piracy fills the gap". You're saying its on the japanese manga publishers to do all the work and front the cost of providing a legal way for foreigners to read their works or else ppl will pirate
@FoolPlanet@locog899 Whats the logic behind that? This isn't food or water, japanese manga and products aren't a human right? Why should anyone "deserve" a luxury if they can't afford it?