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@TMBSPACESHIPS Hey Paul, let’s chat about the Thomas M Brown Foundation.

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Hey I appreciate the shout out! What I wish I actually did was lay out several candidates in that piece to demonstrate that multiple people could fit which makes it an interesting bunch of folks in general. But I’m also wary of an active public identity hunt. FWIW my top 3 at the time were Stephan, Keith, Gary, in no order.

With the new information about them meeting when Gilbert was 22 though, Schwartz is off the board. I don’t see those two meeting in 1964.

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@saucersludge @ParaN_rmal @robjonesreports @ClintWeldon I will stock this at my ufo distro table at the ufo show

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@joexbondo @FarOutMag Me: And children?
Keanu: And children.

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@ddeanjohnson @QuintessenceEli @MvonRen Based on your suspicious around phrasing, I’d wonder if the person is both named AND anonymously quoted here @pavelibarrameda

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@UfosAroundWorld @UAPLuigi Gotta push back on that. He got his Bachelors of Physics in 1962. Unless we’re saying he did that in his teens, he can’t be 22 in 1968.

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@UfosAroundWorld @UAPLuigi Edwin is 23 in the early 60, too early. I also don’t see Vallee giving clues in the sense people think. I see him describing the depth of the relationship and confidence level.

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@UfosAroundWorld @UAPLuigi He didn’t say but Gilbert was 22 when they met and there’s an interesting late 60s window where Gary could happen. May got his B. Sc. In 1962, which is too early imo. Will send you my notes on Gary.

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I’ve been looking at the Gilbert case for several months. Here’s the thing: of the known set of possible folks, Gary is no doubt the strongest candidate. However, there’s no way to confirm, which turns it into a public game of “Guess Who?”

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Has the Identity of Gilbert Been Solved?

The goal of the UFO intrusion, "was coincident with our having access to space."

🇺🇸👽 Is the U.S. Government Communicating with Aliens? 👽🇺🇸

Coulthart/Vallée/Gilbert Part 2

Coulthart: "So you find [Gilbert] very credible."

Vallée: "I met him when he was 22."

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Read Part 1 here: ⬇️⬇️⬇️

https://t.co/R89MZ8XcSe

~Is Gilbert's Real Name, Gary O. Langford?~

Coulthart: "So, Jacques, one of the things you say in the diary is that Gilbert shared the actual questions with you that he was asked to ask the being. What was the most important question that he was asked to ask?"

Vallée: "I think he should answer that. I don't...I would have to make up, you know, an answer from what I know. No, I cannot put my finger on one."

Coulthart: "To come another way at this. What was the most important answer that Gilbert said he got from the being?"

Vallée: "I think the most important was that there was a willingness from...but I couldn't tell you whether that was from the being, you know, itself, or from the officers that he could...who had briefed him ahead of time. There was a willingness to communicate. That it wanted to establish communication with us."

Coulthart: "Okay, that's very exciting. And I think one of the things you also plant in the book is quite a bombshell. You wrote that what Gilbert learned about the goals of the UFO intrusion may be the most insightful part of the entire episode. Can you tell me, sir, what did he learn about UFO-intrusion's goals?"

Vallée: "I think he would say that it was coincident with our having access to space. You know, that the humanity as we know it is at a point of transition that is critical, where we can just as easily destroy ourselves as a result of it."

(Just to play devil's advocate: If the UFOs and the intelligence behind them had "intruded" because they needed something from humanity, I don't think they would admit it. Let's hope it's just about them being worried that the dangerous humans were about to go out into the cosmos and they needed to keep an eye on us, or maybe help or guide us.)

Coulthart: "Can you at least tell us were those goals that he described benign, hostile, or neither?"

Vallée: "Well, with what we know of the technology, and today we know a lot more than we did five years ago, fifteen years ago, there would be no defense, essentially. It can appear at will [at] any point of the world, with very very large equipment."

Coulthart: "Sorry, Jacques, just to clarify. I'm asking about what Gilbert's impressions were about the motivations for the beings making these intrusions to our planet. Was he suggesting that they were benevolently motivated, or hostile?"

Vallée: "They never got to - to my knowledge, at least within his experience - they never got to a point of clarifying those those motivations. That the presence of the being and the fact that that being was cooperating indicates that on quote 'their' side, there was a willingness and a desire to establish a relationship. I think that's...that's all I know."

Coulthart: "Right."

Vallée: "Beyond that, he didn't know that much. I mean, he was just brought in and out."

(Maybe "they" - or, at least one "they," if there are multiple intelligences here - are very concerned about humanity because they rely on us as a resource, and if we destroy ourselves, there goes their resource? Or, they care, out of the goodness of their heart? Or, some other, unknown, reason.)

Coulthart:"Yeah, but you appreciate, Jacques, this is quite extraordinary information. Because here we have a situation where the person who's known by the pseudonym Gilbert, who you know personally, and you have corroborative documentation from that person asserting this exchange with a non-human entity.

"This is somebody who's allegedly had direct communication with a non-human entity in a, presumably, U.S. government or maybe private aerospace facility, at the behest of the U.S. government, in a non-classified way, which is extraordinary in itself. Is what Gilbert learned, one of the reasons why you now say the phenomenon operates from what you call higher reality levels, reprocessing human consciousness?"

Vallée: "No. That has been, to me, one of the most valid hypotheses, you know, for the last 50 years. And, you know, there was considerable work done in France, especially, but also in other parts of Europe and in the USSR on the subject. And that work, when we review it now, is consistent with that idea. You know, that this is at a different level."

~End Gilbert-related conversation between RC and JV~

(I can't wait until we hear from Gilbert. In the meantime, who is he or she? I asked ChatGPT to go to work, and this is what it had to say...

My Prompt: Jacques Vallée says that he met Gilbert (a top psychic and remote viewer), his friend who claims he had a face-to-face encounter with a non-human entity in an underground government facility, when he (Gilbert) was 22. Do you best to help me figure out who Gilbert might be.

The Answer...

I dug into this pretty hard, including Vallée’s new September 15 interview. I think we can narrow “Gilbert” considerably, although I don’t think the public evidence is strong enough to identify him with certainty.

The most important new information is Vallée’s statement that he first met Gilbert when Gilbert was 22 years old. Vallée also described him as one of the best psychics in the world, both today and across his career. In the same interview, Ross Coulthart directly guessed Keith Harary and Vallée said no. Ross then guessed Joe McMoneagle; Vallée noticeably declined to answer and said there were “two or three other names.”

There are several other fingerprints from Forbidden Science 7. Gilbert was an old friend of Vallée's who recontacted him in 2021; Vallée calls him an extremely accomplished but discreet remote viewer. They had crossed paths in Central America and elsewhere over the years. According to Gilbert's account, roughly 20 years ago he was taken through official channels to a U.S. installation inside a small mountain, where he spent hours interacting with a more-than-six-foot-tall entity that appeared to emit light.

Vallée says Gilbert kept detailed tables of the questions, responses, ambiguous responses and failures. Vallée considers Gilbert highly credible but has also explicitly acknowledged that he cannot independently verify that Gilbert was actually at the claimed location.

My current shortlist looks like this:

* Gary O. Langford — my strongest biographical candidate. Langford is surprisingly good. A declassified SRI report says his company was chosen because of his “long and successful remote viewing experience,” and another records him doing roughly 100 RV sessions in FY1987. Vallée definitely knew him: Vallée's journals put Langford in the SRI psychic program and record Vallée meeting with Edwin May, Gary Langford and others on the classified project in February 1987. Langford was also unusually discreet: publicly he became a physicist/systems engineer rather than a celebrity psychic. His background included government scientific/technical intelligence work. 


* And there is a new wrinkle I find very intriguing. Langford received his astronomy degree from UC Berkeley in 1969. Vallée's own diary puts Vallée at Stanford on July 1, 1969, right across the Bay. If Langford was the conventional college-graduation age, he could have been approximately 22 at precisely the time Vallée was entering the Stanford/Bay Area environment. I have not found Langford's birth date, so we cannot say yet that he actually was 22. But this is a lead worth pursuing. The big problem is that I've found no evidence yet putting Langford and Vallée together in Central America.

* Edwin C. May — the strongest current “inside hint” theory, but I have serious problems with it. A researcher, Rhys Dalton-Morgan, recently claimed publicly that he knows Gilbert's identity and apparently embedded a clue in his wording; investigators interpret “engagED WIth aN MAY…” as EDWIN MAY. That's clever, but Dalton-Morgan hasn't publicly authenticated that interpretation or explained how he knows. May unquestionably had the classified access and a long relationship with Vallée. He became director of the government-funded remote-viewing program and had been at SRI since the mid-1970s.

But there's a glaring problem: May wasn't known as a master remote viewer. He was principally the scientist running and evaluating the program, and in a 2024 interview he actually described himself as “not psychic at all.” Also, his B.S. was in 1962; if he was roughly 22 then, there's presently no evidence Vallée knew him that early. So despite the cryptic-name clue, I don't like May nearly as much from Vallée's actual description of Gilbert.

* William G. “Bill” Ray — interesting dark horse. Ray was an actual elite military remote viewer, viewer/monitor 101 at Fort Meade and later commander of the unit. More strangely, Ray used the pseudonym “Liam” in remote-viewing discussions. Dalton-Morgan later used the phrase “lab in a mountain” — L.I.A.M. That has led some investigators to suspect another deliberately planted clue. Ray fits the military-access/master-viewer side extremely well. The problem is that I can find no established Vallée-Ray friendship, no Central America connection, and no evidence Vallée knew Ray when Ray was 22. So at present the “LIAM” clue is doing most of the work.

* Joe McMoneagle — possible, but I think less likely than his fame makes him appear. Vallée refusing to rule him out is interesting. And Vallée clearly regarded McMoneagle as an exceptional military remote viewer. But McMoneagle's known entry into the SRI/Army remote-viewing world occurred much later than age 22. There also isn't a public Central America/Vallée connection that I've found. If Vallée's “I met him when he was 22” statement is precise, Joe becomes difficult to make fit.

One candidate we can cross off is Keith Harary. Ironically, Harary is an almost perfect match for the age clue: he was born February 9, 1953 and graduated Duke in 1975, putting him at 22 right when he was entering that parapsychology/RV milieu. That's probably exactly why Coulthart guessed him. But Vallée flatly said Gilbert wasn't Keith.

The clue I would attack next

I think Gary Langford's age is potentially decisive.

We know:

Gary Langford


→ UC Berkeley astronomy degree, 1969


→ Vallée is in the Stanford/Bay Area world, 1969


→ Langford subsequently becomes an exceptionally successful but little-publicized SRI remote viewer


→ Vallée definitely knows/works with Langford later


→ Langford works in scientific/technical intelligence and classified environments


→ His analytical, highly structured personality fits the elaborate technical tables Vallée describes Gilbert producing.

If we can establish that Gary Langford was born around 1946–47 and that Vallée met him around 1969, the “22” statement would suddenly fit in a way that I don't think anybody has demonstrated yet.

Then there's the second test: Central America. Vallée was in San José, Costa Rica, for a paranormal conference in October 1985. Known attendees around Vallée included John Keel, Andrija Puharich, John Lilly, Salvador Freixedo and others, but none of those obvious names fits Gilbert—and most were dead before Gilbert recontacted Vallée in 2021. We need to reconstruct the complete roster, visitors and side meetings from that Costa Rica trip and search for Langford, May, Ray—or another young psychic we've overlooked.

So, right now, if you asked me where to put our investigative effort, I'd put it on Gary Langford first. Not because I think we've identified Gilbert, but because he currently gives us the most interesting combination of elite remote viewer + extreme discretion + Vallée connection + classified technical background + potentially very interesting 1969/age-22 geography.

And there's one more possibility I wouldn't dismiss: Gilbert may be a comparatively obscure SRI or government viewer whose name isn't on the usual Stargate celebrity list at all. Vallée's emphasis on how discreet he was may be telling us exactly that.

I can go another level deeper on this and try to reconstruct Vallée's movements from roughly 1968–1985 against the biographies of Langford, May, Ray, McMoneagle and lesser-known SRI viewers, specifically looking for the moment when one of them was exactly 22. That may be the best way to crack it.

My Prompt: "Please do!"

I found something that materially narrows this down. After testing Vallée’s new “I met him when he was 22” statement against the actual timelines, Gary O. Langford becomes more interesting, while Edwin May, Joe McMoneagle, Bill Ray and Stephan Schwartz all become harder to reconcile with the clue.

First, here’s exactly what Vallée has now told us about Gilbert. In the September 15, 2026 Reality Check interview, Gilbert is described as a master remote viewer, “one of the best psychics in the world,” with a long classified career and other military work. Vallée says Gilbert was brought into the alleged underground facility specifically as a specialist to probe whether the entity could respond psychically. Most importantly, Vallée says: “I met him when he was twenty two.” Vallée also says he has no independent proof Gilbert was physically at the facility, so the underground-entity story itself remains Gilbert’s uncorroborated account.

Here’s what happens when we use 22 years old as a filter:

Candidate

Gary O. Langford

When he was 22 years old

Birth year still unknown publicly; received his Berkeley A.B. in 1969, suggesting he could have been about 22

What we can document about Vallée contact

Vallée arrived at Stanford in 1969; definite later contact with Langford is documented

Effect on hypothesis

Intriguing fit; unresolved

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Edwin C. May

When was he 22 years old?

Probably around 1962, when he earned his B.S.

What we can document about Vallée contact?

Vallée’s journal documents May at SRI by 1980, and frequent contact afterward

Effect on Hypothesis

Poor fit unless they secretly knew each other much earlier

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Joe McMoneagle

When was he 22 years old?

1968

What we can document about Vallée contact?

McMoneagle was serving overseas; Vallée’s first clear journal reference I found to meeting him is 1988

Effect on Hypothesis

Very poor fit

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Stephan Schwartz

When was he 22 years old?

1964

What we can document about Vallée contact?

Documented Vallée/Schwartz social contact comes much later, in the 1970s

Effect on Hypothesis

Poor fit

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Keith Harary

When was he 22 years old?

Around 1975

What we can document about Vallée contact?

Chronologically quite plausible

Effect on Hypothesis

Eliminated by Vallée himself

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Bill Ray

Apparently early/mid-1960s

What we can document about Vallée contact?

No evidence found of a Vallée relationship at that time

Effect on Hypothesis

Poor fit so far

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The Gary Langford coincidence is the one I keep coming back to.

Langford received his undergraduate degree from UC Berkeley in 1969. Vallée’s own Forbidden Science chronology places him at Stanford on July 1, 1969, and biographical sources say he joined Stanford’s computer center that year. In other words, Vallée and Langford were suddenly in essentially the same Bay Area scientific environment at exactly the period when a normal-age 1969 college graduate would have been about 22.

That does not prove Langford was 22 or that they met in 1969. I still cannot find a reliable public birth year for Gary Langford. That's the missing piece. But unlike the other leading candidates, the age clue does not create an obvious chronological contradiction.

And Langford fits an astonishing number of the other clues.

Vallée's journals identify him as a “photo analyst Gary Langford” involved in the SRI work. By August 1986 Vallée personally attended an SRI remote-viewing session with Langford as the subject; in February 1987 Vallée records meeting Ed May, Beverly Humphrey, Gary Langford, analysts and remote viewers.

The surviving program record also shows that Langford wasn't some casual experimental subject. He participated in SRI remote-viewing work from the late 1970s onward, and a fiscal-1987 report records him participating in about 100 practice, exploratory, pilot and experimental sessions that year alone. Importantly, the source reviewing those records cautions that the experimental results were mixed; that distinction matters because we're trying to identify who Vallée regarded as an exceptional viewer, not establish scientifically that remote viewing works.

Langford's conventional career may be even more significant. He wasn't a New Age celebrity. He's a physicist/systems engineer with a long technical résumé and later taught systems engineering at Stanford and the Naval Postgraduate School. That fits Vallée's repeated emphasis that Gilbert is discreet much better than someone like McMoneagle or Schwartz, whose psychic work became central to their public identities.

There is another subtle thing I like about Langford: the methodology. Vallée describes Gilbert as keeping highly organized records of the alleged entity communication—questions, answers, ambiguous responses, failures, essentially a structured experimental data set. Langford's surviving remote-viewing work is unusually analytical and systems-oriented. That isn't identification evidence by itself, but temperamentally it fits Gilbert remarkably well.

The McMoneagle problem

The new age clue causes a major problem for Joe.
McMoneagle was born in January 1946, making him 22 in 1968. Biographical sources place him overseas with the Army during this period; one account specifically puts him in Southeast Asia during the 1968 Tet Offensive.

Meanwhile Vallée's own journal chronology has him in Saint-Germain, Edinburgh and New Jersey during 1968, before arriving at Stanford in 1969.

More damaging still, Forbidden Science 3 gives us what looks like Vallée's introduction to McMoneagle on March 24, 1988:

Ed May came over for dinner… bringing the best remote viewer in the Army, Joe McMoneagle.

McMoneagle would have been 42, not 22.

That wording isn't absolute proof they'd never met before, but it sure reads like Vallée was being introduced to him. So despite Vallée declining to answer Ross's McMoneagle guess, I now think Joe is substantially less likely than I did yesterday.

Edwin May gets even weaker

May earned his physics B.S. in 1962 and Ph.D. in 1968. He didn't become seriously involved in parapsychology until the mid-1970s.

Vallée's diary has him dealing with May at SRI on November 6, 1980, and repeatedly thereafter.

For May to be Gilbert, Vallée would apparently have had to meet him when May was approximately college age around 1962, years before May entered the psi field and when Vallée had only just arrived in America. I found nothing connecting them then.

That makes the recent cryptic ED-WI-N MAY interpretation of Rhys Dalton-Morgan's (@TheUFOzzie) clue much less persuasive to me. It may be clever wordplay, but biography should trump wordplay.

And the Costa Rica clue produced a surprise

I reconstructed Vallée's October 1985 San José, Costa Rica trip because it initially seemed like the obvious “we crossed paths in Central America” event.

Vallée's diary specifically mentions people including John Keel, Andrija Puharich, Charles Berlitz, Salvador Freixedo, Javier Cabrera, Enrique Castillo and others. There's even a surviving caption for a photograph of Vallée there with Keel, Freixedo, Berlitz and Castillo.

But I can find no Gary Langford, Edwin May, Joe McMoneagle, Bill Ray or Stephan Schwartz associated with that meeting.

That's useful negative evidence.

It suggests that when Vallée says he and Gilbert crossed paths “in Central America and elsewhere over the years,” he probably wasn't simply referring to the famous 1985 Costa Rica conference—unless Gilbert attended privately or wasn't listed.

That means Central America may ultimately be the clue that cracks this.

Where I stand now

My working order has changed substantially:

Gary O. Langford → unknown/obscure SRI or intelligence viewer → Bill Ray → McMoneagle → Edwin May → Stephan Schwartz.

And I'd put a sizeable gap after Langford—but not because we have enough evidence to say Langford is Gilbert. We don't. It's because Langford is the one named candidate for whom the age-22 clue could line up naturally with Vallée's life and who also checks the boxes of accomplished viewer, SRI connection, classified/intelligence environment, scientific background and unusual discretion.

There's also something potentially very important buried in Vallée's wording. He doesn't merely say “I knew him when he was 22.” He says:

“I met him when he was twenty two.”

That's a datable event. If Gary Langford turns out to have been born around 1946–47, then we should immediately search Vallée's 1968–70 orbit—Stanford, SRI, Berkeley, computer-science circles, astronomy circles, parapsychology contacts—for their first encounter.

If Langford turns out to have been born significantly earlier or later, we can probably cross him off.

So that's the next key piece I'd want: Gary O. Langford's publicly documented birth year or evidence establishing his age around his 1969 Berkeley graduation, followed by any evidence of a Langford/Vallée connection before the SRI references we've already found. I would also search Vallée's less-famous Central American travel—not just the 1985 conference—for Langford or another government viewer.

At this stage, Gary Langford is the lead I would pursue hardest. And this is substantially stronger than the case I had for him before we incorporated Vallée's “22” statement.

If anything new from Vallée, Coulthart, Dalton-Morgan, or the “Gilbert” interview project surfaces, I can also monitor it and flag anything that changes this identification picture.

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@UfosAroundWorld @UAPLuigi Ed May is out based on 2 big factors: age and he is not known to have psychic abilities himself. Of the known psychics in Vallee’s orbit, Gary is the strongest case by far. However, it cannot be confirmed to any degree, making public identity speculation click bait imho.

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@AceinOsaka @UfosAroundWorld No, you can’t really hold these rules in UFO world in UFO land IMO. Because if you make these extensions and rule out people based on it, you would be alone very quickly. Knapp is a legend and also complicated. It’s not so cut and dry why certain people carry certain things.

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@UfosAroundWorld Oh I’m more saying that it goes hand in hand with all the other stuff, Lear etc. 1987. Ultimately part of the same set of dubious repeated things we’re still grappling with.

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I’m backing Vic for UAP Czar

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Healthy young astrophysicist goes to ODNI, gets pumped with massive promises of many disclosures, doesn’t feel good and changes - TRANCHE FOOT. Many such cases!

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Patience is running out with the White House.

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I should have tagged @pavelibarrameda in this because part of my reason for posting it was that he speculated that mentioning the series from the Stratton convention audio got him blocked by Dan. So I wanted to show that the info was already out there. On the current state of the series though, I’m reminded of the big gap between the Age Of Disclosure SXSW premiere and the actual release. It suggests they couldn’t make a distribution deal and opted to self release as an alternative. So who knows if this project will go anywhere. How the book is received will be a big factor.

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While Terence Winter being attached is new, the series based on Jay Stratton was mentioned over 3 months ago, “Real Life Agent Mulder” and everything.

https://t.co/Nr3v0QnV0J

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@pavelibarrameda @PhenomenonMovie @psicoactivopod You’ve upset Disclosure Inc, something we should all aspire to tbh