Edward Chandler

[Edward Chandler @edward_cha27317]

@EricRSammons I saw someone say that we shouldn't philosophize about consciousness because we haven't defined it yet, and the empirical science needs more time. I about gagged.

I'm an engineer, but the mentality that *physics* is the queen of the sciences needs to die.

[Edward Chandler @edward_cha27317]

@zwb44 I basically have it dispatch a headless sonnet 5.5 orchestrator to run sol and luna workers at this point, and then just talk about project vision with it. I have no idea what it's coding capabilities are like because it's too expensive. Two prompts are like one percentage point

[Edward Chandler @edward_cha27317]

@jdanielcook @kimmonismus I equivocated, lol. Good catch. Was trying to bridge. Yes, by materialism I mean that there is only matter in motion. I elided it with the method of studying matter in motion. My bad. Defining terms is 50% of the battle, as demonstrated here.

[Edward Chandler @edward_cha27317]

@jdanielcook @kimmonismus Agreed. And not just a settled answer, but one that traces its origins at least 2500 years through Protestant, Catholic, Islamic, and Greco-Roman philosophy. (neo-)Aristotelianism is one of the most mature projects. Regardless of its truth, it's maximally venerable and hardened.

[Edward Chandler @edward_cha27317]

@kimmonismus @jdanielcook Fair enough. I was replying to "the discussion remains more abstractly philosophical than grounded in empirical evidence", which read to me as if the evidence would have the final say. I retract! Sounds like we agree empiricism alone can't settle it.

[Edward Chandler @edward_cha27317]

@kimmonismus @jdanielcook The older view doesn't replace the science. It says the measurable description is true and incomplete: what a thing is made of, plus what makes it the kind of thing it is. Mind fits in the second part.

[Edward Chandler @edward_cha27317]

@kimmonismus @jdanielcook I'm a PhD chemical engineer, so I agree: materialism is the best tool we have for describing how matter behaves. I just think it's a method, not a full account. It works by setting aside whatever can't be physically measured, so it can't then tell us that nothing was set aside.

[Edward Chandler @edward_cha27317]

@jdanielcook @kimmonismus I think Chubby's framing is wrong that the only definitive answers remain in empirical science. Science explicitly restricts itself to matter's structure and interactions, excluding even the question of other categories. Admitting other possible categories is the usbiased move

[Edward Chandler @edward_cha27317]

@jdanielcook @kimmonismus Agreed. I was going to say it's hard if you're a materialist, but even then, I'm not sure it's hard so much as you have pre-materialst cultural inculcation and find it hard to accept that consciousness might just be quantum entanglement.

So one just shouldn't be a materialist!

[Edward Chandler @edward_cha27317]

@kimmonismus Aquinas and Aristotle are the basis for many modern ontologies that are used in business, tech, military, etc. https://t.co/qyxpCRh7tB

Yet people always forget they address questions of consciousness. Loss of categories like form make the question harder than it needs to be.

[Edward Chandler @edward_cha27317]

@zwb44 Hmmmmmm. Will do more research to understand better, lol.

[Edward Chandler @edward_cha27317]

@Ananth7e Isn't coding in an environment also a situation where dots will call codex, so your "unlimited" tokens don't really apply to anything super heavy you have to do? Or am I misunderstanding the dots usage?

[Edward Chandler @edward_cha27317]

@thsottiaux Dot is unlimited but codex isn't?

[Edward Chandler @edward_cha27317]

@RevIsaacWirtz Scripture debates aside, can we at least correct that Catholic teaching, regardless of what the laity gets wrong, doesn't teach that she didn't need a savior, but was preserved from sin "by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ" by a God who is out of time? https://t.co/CG50FTpXZr

[Edward Chandler @edward_cha27317]

@ChrisGPT I worry that the upward shift toward more cognitive roles is going to leave more and more people behind. The policy at https://t.co/DAmVrYdABz will become emergent in the market across industries, AI will progressively make the ability to work a high IQ/working memory luxury.

[Edward Chandler @edward_cha27317]

@kunchenguid I find myself still needing fable as the constant peer ideas partner. How do you engage with opus on that level? I really like Fable, but I'm not rich enough for it lol. However, Opus 5.5, though leaps and bounds better than 5, still felt like it was missing something.

[Edward Chandler @edward_cha27317]

@zwb44 It may be task dependent. I'm doing some formal logic derivations right now, and to get certified models, it's about 40-55% the cost of opus right now (low sample size). These tests really need to be done with formal concept analysis against task predicates.

[Edward Chandler @edward_cha27317]

@zwb44 Yea I have a lattice of various models, effort level, and a set of universal task descriptors, and rate each run within the lattice, and use that to have my orchestrator decide which model to use for a given task..... Stealth testing would definitely kill that.

[Edward Chandler @edward_cha27317]

@adocomplete @adocomplete I still decide what counts as done, and I still have to say "verified." Agents will happily report both when neither is true. What fixed it wasn't prompting or claude·md, it was hooks: a commit or a "done" with no receipt attached just gets denied at the tool call.