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Cup‑with‑Handle: O’Neil vs Minervini
1. Pattern Philosophy
- O’Neil Approach —
Treats the Cup‑with‑Handle as a strict, rule‑driven base inside the CAN SLIM system.
Structure, depth, volume, and position are non‑negotiable.
- Minervini Approach —
Uses the pattern only if it aligns with momentum, trend strength, and volatility contraction.
He cares more about tightness, relative strength, and risk control than textbook shape.
2. Cup Structure
- O’Neil Cup Rules —
Must be a U‑shape, not a V.
Depth ideally 15–35%, duration 1–6 months, smooth bottom, controlled right side.
- Minervini Cup Rules —
Allows shallower, faster cups if the stock has elite momentum.
Prefers tight right‑side price action and volatility contraction over perfect symmetry.
3. Handle Requirements
- O’Neil Handle Criteria —
Must form in the upper third of the base.
Pullback ≤ 1/3 of the right‑side advance.
Volume must dry up.
- Minervini Handle Criteria —
Wants a VCP‑style handle:
Tight, shallow, multiple contractions, clear pivot.
He rejects handles that are loose or wide, even if they are technically valid by O’Neil rules.
4. Buy Point
- O’Neil Buy Point —
Breakout above the handle high on heavy volume.
Classic pivot.
- Minervini Buy Point —
Buys earlier if the stock shows:
- VCP tightening
- RS leadership
- Early pivot before the official breakout
He wants lower risk, tighter stops, faster feedback.
5. Risk Management
- O’Neil Risk Rules —
Standard 7–8% stop.
Focus on institutional accumulation and base quality.
- Minervini Risk Rules —
Stops are much tighter (2–5%).
If the stock isn’t acting perfectly, he cuts immediately.
6. What They Both Agree On
- Shared Principles —
- Strong prior uptrend
- Leadership stocks
- Breakouts with power
- Avoiding weak, lagging names
- Volume confirmation
- Tight price action before the move
- O’Neil: textbook structure, strict rules, classic pivot.
- Minervini: momentum‑first, tighter, faster, earlier entries.
- Both: want strength, leadership, and clean breakouts.