It’s clear you are not directly aware of the details of how a patient goes through this process. I understand your sentiment but you are assuming there are many eggs to start with in the process and that is simply untrue for many women. Many fertility doctors do not maximize the eggs harvested.
Even in conception without IVF, a woman’s body discards embryos that are not viable.
@RoshakTim@BeverlyHallberg Not every IVF process is designed to maximize a number of embryos. Many result in just a precious few which the parents commit to use.
@RoshakTim@BeverlyHallberg The problem is this is not reality for many parents using IVF and talking about it this way greatly undermines the point you are trying to make.
@RyanLEllis@BeverlyHallberg Some clinics require clients to think this through on the front end and couples do often make this decision. There is also a great misunderstanding on the number of Henry’s created - it’s not nearly as many as some think.
So many logical fallacies it was hard to sort through:
Here’s a first-person version you can post:
You used four fallacies in this thread.
1. No True Scotsman You started by saying they’re not “Christian boys,” then added extra tests — once-a-week youth group, a church that “doesn’t know how to raise disciples” — so they no longer count as real Christians by your extra rules.
2. Special pleading You said no human gets to decide who is in or out, only Jesus and the Word. Then you decided anyway. That rule applied to me, not to you.
3. Performative contradiction You wrote “JESUS defines them, not me.” Then you defined them. You judged the boys in the original post and then judged me by calling me a pagan.
4. Ad hominem Instead of answering the actual point — that you had already done the judging you said no one should do — you attacked me: small-minded, 54-follower, pagan. You claimed the standard is Scripture alone. The second someone pointed out you had already broken your own rule, you switched to extra tests and personal insults.
@Eaglesfly2023@kade_mcgee7 Thankfully the way you live is not the basis for your salvation - sanctification is a process. Christians are a bunch of crooked sticks.
@DefiyantlyFree I think it’s small, barely noticeable compatibilities that grow and compound over the years. That’s a choice too - deciding to invest in the things you share year after year. It’s what’s left when the kids are gone and I see now how we’ve made this life for ourselves.