You know the drill. Want to prove you actually take a debate seriously for once? Debate my hawks. If you can do decently against my hawks, you can earn the opportunity to debate me again.
@MikeHoncho5ezc@xwanyex No lol if you acknowledge that it’s derived from your own system of values, you just shouldn’t say that it’s justified by “the science”; whether or not morality is objective i.e. subject-independent is a separate question
@MikeHoncho5ezc@xwanyex Indeed, the basic distinction between descriptive and normative claims is not “profound”, which is why you are stupid for struggling with this for 20 or so replies
@MikeHoncho5ezc@xwanyex What is this even apropos of? At no point have we ever addressed whether or not the moral claims in question are subject-dependent. The dispute was over whether empirical facts in and of themselves justify specific policy positions. Are you fucking retarded?