gee2002

studying psych and soc

[gee2002 @gee090222]

How can we provide these young people with the proper resources that they need to succeed when there are institutional and structural forces (i.e. school to prison pipeline) that seem to want these boys to fail. #so345

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I find it interesting that Rios talks about the Transatlantic Slave Trade and the historical implications of mass incarceration. It puts into perspective the magnitude of the issues that are outlined throughout the book. They are not new. #so345

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It is clearly tied to the idea of social death but also the idea that there doesn't seem to be an escape from it. It seems as though in any scenario that he chose he would suffer the consequences accordingly. (2/2) #so345

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I find it sad that while talking to Rios Jose tells him that he's going to be good only to immediately come to the conclusion that he will be incarcerated forever. To me, there are many levels to this. (1/2)

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I find it so interesting that in encounters with peers and with authority figures not being masculine enough is very bad. This is interesting as both groups have very different views on masculinity. One gains you dignity and one gains you freedom #so345

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In a way they aren't really free from anything which makes me wonder if it is worth it? #so345 2/2

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I find it interesting that compliance is seen as the opposite of masculinity and the same as freedom. However, although the boys gain freedom from the system they also gain scrutiny from their peers. 1/2

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However, they see each of them as failures due to their environment so they instead continue to do nothing. #so345 3/3

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On page 145 it discusses how the boys who were not delinquent were treated the same as those who were by the authority figures in their lives. For some reason, this reminded me of Rio's interaction with the police in the previous chapter on page 128. 1/2

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Rios is told by the officer to help these boys get their lives together. To me it signifies that regular authority figures in the boys lives recognize that to some degree they must get to know them in order to help them. 2/3

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Even when they are victims it has been demonstrated that authority figures will often seek to blame them for their own victimization perpetuating this cycle further. 2/2 #so345

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"In other words, the youth control complex was successful at convincing the young men that poverty, racism, and neglect were products of their actions" (Rios 134). 1/2

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I find it interesting women are brought up especially because it discusses another lose-lose situation like the one mentioned prior. It seems that for any of these teens if you are not displaying the right type of (hyper)masculinity you are in great danger #so345

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To me, this perfectly describes the very difficult situation that these boys find themselves in trying to navigate day-to-day life. #so345

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I find it incredibly interesting that on pg 131 Rios writes that the boys are simply performing a "man's expectations" of the environment that they are in when just a few pages prior a police officer clearly defines a very different set of practices that would make these boys men

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Resistance Identities and the idea of excluding the excluder is interesting to me. If the boys feel as though they cannot participate in what the majority would consider a "normal life" then they will simply make their own version of it. #so345

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@ro42103 This is also interesting when you consider the goals that other people have assigned to them. It seems as if they only know extremes, either unattainable goals set by others, or over-attainable goals set by themselves. #so345

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@User1269884151 I think that this question becomes even harder to answer that these boys are being policed in school too. Everywhere they go they encounter an authority figure that seeks to control how they survive. #so345

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What do you think about the boys parents further criminalizing them? Further, why do you think that they would criminalize them if authority figures also viewed them as criminals by default? #so345

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Even though the boys were already attending a school for deviants, they recalled being treated the same way at their old school. Do you think there is an element of self-fulfilling prophecy here? Like they began to believe that they were deviant so they became deviant. #so345