Saying you can't change the unfair voting system without a manifesto pledge endorsed by the unfair voting system you want to change, is the most Blarite, duplicitous piece of nonsense yet heard in UK politics.
@AndyBurnhamGM has lost before he's started.
#GetPRDone
@_joebelcher@getprdone If it was up to me, I've go for pure STV, however I would be amazed if Labour went for such an open system so I would probably settle for some sort of AV+ if it meant getting change. (However we settled for Labours option before - AV, and we know how that went!)
In 2015, the SDLP won Belfast South with 24.5% of the vote. That means that over three quarters of the electorate did not vote for them, but they won anyway.
Surely even if you don't agree with full-on PR, there has to be a fairer way of doing elections than this.
There's this weird thing opponents of PR do where they talk about how it'll lead to more coalition governments but they don't actually explain why that's a bad thing. They just assume you already agree that one-party governments are good and coalitions are bad.
Ahead of the Lib Dem party conference, we asked Britons to describe Ed Davey in three words
25% used at least one positive term, with "fun" and "caring" among the most common
35% used at least one negative term, with "clown" and "boring" among the most common
42% said "don't know" or even "who?"
Ahead of the Green's party conference, we asked Britons to describe Zack Polanski in three words
47% use at least one negative term, many alluding to dishonesty or foolishness
18% use at least one positive term, with "hope" and "caring" among the most common
34% said "don't know" or even "who?"
Very true for Labour. What happened at conference incomprehensible w/out Green impact. Challenge for Greens is taking political space Burnham has staked out and expanding it - if even the PM is saying we have to “end neoliberalism” this can be perfect conditions to demand more.
@DanJTPitt I'm nearly 60 and have voted in every general election since I was 18. Yet I have never seen anyone I voted for elected. Yet those who won imposed privatisation, austerity, brexit and all manner of egregious policies without a majority mandate from voters.
@DanJTPitt The most stable governments in Europe use PR. We’ve had seven PMs in ten years.
PR does not cut ties to constituencies.
We already have extremists in parliament.
It would reduce leaders power as coalitions would be required in government and opposition.
@DanJTPitt FPTP gave us three PMs in 2022 alone. Germany and the Nordics govern stably under PR, and mixed systems keep a local MP.
Fear PR helps the fringe?
In Kent, Reform took 57 of 81 seats on 37% of the vote.
FPTP doesn't keep insurgents out. It hands them majorities.
Which do you prefer?
(1) A much bigger constituency with about 6 MPs (with likely at least 1 from the party you voted for) - STV,
Or,
(2) A slightly bigger constituency (with an extra MP from the party you voted for, if your party didn’t win) - AMS??
@getprdone In norway they have the regional list with top up seats based on the national vote. Any party that get 4%+ is guaranteed seats, usually about 7 seats for 4%. I'm sure a similar system could work with STV
@getprdone I prefer additional member but would still prefer multimember larger constituencies over FPTP . Perhaps Multi Member could easily work based on county or metropolitan city .
@getprdone I'd like to see AV+ with 50% MPs (325) elected via AV to constituencies roughly double the size they are now, and 50% MPs (325) elected via PR with those MPs representing regions such as West Midlands, East Midlands, Greater Manchester, Greater London, etc.
@CharlesTannock Exactly. It strengthens the constituency link.
One of the reasons for FPTP was that the MP found it easier to travel around on horseback!