@mba_thug@honorablesaint Carbonation is the worst offender - the gas has nowhere to go when emptying is slow. Sipping constantly beats slamming.
Also worth knowing: 20-30% of daily fluid normally comes from food. Eating far less quietly removes a chunk you never counted.
@ben_mathes@devahaz The "which most don't" is the whole thing. And it's not discipline - protein is already the most filling macro, so when appetite drops it's the first thing to fall out of the day. Hitting it on a clock instead of by hunger is most of the fix.
@blursed_skol@newstart_2024@fluffyguy@ClubShayShay Mostly agree - the deficit does the damage, not the molecule. The one place the drug does change the math: it suppresses appetite for protein as hard as everything else, so the same rate of loss tends to come with lower intake than a deliberate diet would.
@mba_thug@honorablesaint A lot of that is gastric emptying rather than the deficit - carbs you ate an hour before rolling aren't in your blood yet when you need them.
Liquid carbs clear the stomach faster than solid, and pushing the pre-training meal earlier helps. Worst on dose day.
@Max11089@gregogallagher The fullness thing is real - glycogen pulls water into the muscle, so topped-up stores read as fuller and depleted ones read flat. Same bodyfat, different look week to week. It's why chasing the lowest number on the scale often looks worse than five lbs up.
@gregogallagher Fair - overeating is overeating. The useful part is the real number: two weeks of nightly surplus is maybe a pound or two of actual fat. The scale inflated it to six, then made the comeback look like three. Same habit, much smaller problem than it read.
Treat the lean mass number as an upper bound on your risk, not an estimate of it.
Then train like it's accurate. Cost of being wrong that way is a few hours a week. Cost the other way is tissue you spend years rebuilding.
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But this doesn't make the 38% a myth.
STEP 1 ran 68 weeks. The water shift equilibrates long before that. Strip out the plausible fluid share and several kg of real tissue is still gone.
Water comes back on its own. That doesn't.
Same diet. Same calorie deficit. Same total weight lost.
The group sleeping 8.5 hours lost 55% of it as fat.
The group sleeping 5.5 hours lost 25% as fat - and 75% as lean mass.
Two weeks was all it took. Sleep isn't a bonus habit on a GLP-1. It's part of the protocol.
If your GLP-1 stopped working as well and you can't figure out why, check where you've been injecting.
Scar tissue builds up at repeated sites. Absorption through it runs 20-40% slower - so the dose is right and the delivery isn't.
Affects 25-40% of people who don't rotate.
@PROGENEX 30g is the right floor. The wrinkle on GLP-1 is that the number of eating occasions collapses - three meals quietly becomes one and a half. Hitting 30g twice instead of four times is where most of the gap opens up, not the per-meal number.
@agingroy Right, and the water/glycogen share of that is front-loaded, which is why the lean number looks worst in the early months. The part that isn't water is the part that doesn't come back on its own. That's what the protein and lifting are actually hedging.
@blindeyescold@newstart_2024@fluffyguy@ClubShayShay Then you're set up better than most - training base already there before the deficit started. One thing worth watching: top sets stalling 2-3 weeks straight while the scale keeps dropping. That shows up before you feel anything.
@LizHighleyman@drmikehart@DrNadolsky Useful data point — you're titrating against two endpoints that don't share a threshold. Food noise held at 0.6; the joint effect didn't.
Worth logging them separately rather than treating "lowest effective dose" as one number.