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@ChrisFitzMelb @WillyWoofter @cookybottt @joperec @StochasticStat1 @samhaselby including diaspora Jews* You forgot that

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@BrynTeilo @SkyNews @IDF There isnt genocide
Palestinians deserve what they did on October 7th, good job Israel!

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@StochasticStat1 @ChrisFitzMelb @cookybottt @joperec @samhaselby Now you’re finally describing Morris more accurately
He says Ben Gurion projected a message of transfer and the leadership/officer corps understood it. He ALSO says there was no orderly comprehensive policy or pre war master plan. That distinction was literally my point

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@StochasticStat1 @ChrisFitzMelb @cookybottt @joperec @samhaselby You’re still collapsing two claims 🫠 Morris absolutely says Ben Gurion favored transfer and expulsions happened. He ALSO says there was no orderly comprehensive policy or pre war master plan. If that distinction is “playing dumb" take it up with the historian you’re citing

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@StochasticStat1 @ChrisFitzMelb @cookybottt @joperec @samhaselby You keep turning “there was no pre planned master policy” into “nothing bad happened” That’s a strawman. Mass displacement, expulsions, refusal of return and expropriation happened. The argument is about prior centralized intent

Outcome ≠ proof of a pre written master plan

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@StochasticStat1 @ChrisFitzMelb @cookybottt @joperec @samhaselby Nobody said expulsions were rare Lydda/Ramle and many village expulsions are documented The dispute is whether Plan Dalet itself was a blanket ethnic cleansing blueprint “Expulsions happened” does not prove the specific master plan claim you keep making

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@StochasticStat1 @ChrisFitzMelb @cookybottt @joperec @samhaselby He says there was no Zionist plan or blanket policy of ethnic cleansing. Yes Plan Dalet allowed commanders to expel/destroy some villages and expulsions happened That still ≠ "everyone understood it as a mass ethnic cleansing plan"

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@architectandrew @Linda_as_was Dont try talk to them, These Palestinians "supporters"(genocidal terrorists) dont really care if youre Zionist or not they just hate jews because they know they have historic connection to the land in your DNA, just ignore these terrorists nobody care about them anyways

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@StochasticStat1 @ChrisFitzMelb @cookybottt @joperec @samhaselby Morris saying expulsions helped make Israel possible is NOT the same as saying there was a pre planned master order to expel Palestinians. Those are two completely different historical claims

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@StochasticStat1 @ChrisFitzMelb @cookybottt @joperec @samhaselby Nobody denied transfer was discussed. You keep dodging the actual point discussion ≠ an adopted master plan. Even Morris who documents extensive Zionist transfer thinking rejects your claim that they entered 1948 with a master plan to expel Palestinians

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@StochasticStat1 @ChrisFitzMelb @cookybottt @joperec @samhaselby “Plan Dalet was THE master plan” is literally a disputed historical interpretation not a fact Morris explicitly says transfer thinking existed but did NOT become a pre planned master policy of expulsion. Pappé argues the opposite

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@ChrisFitzMelb So Jews murdered on Oct 7 didn't deserve sympathy because of what their government did? What the fuck kind of logic is that? You can condemn Israeli policy and Gaza AND condemn civilians being slaughtered. Collective guilt doesn't become moral just because the victims are Israeli

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@ChrisFitzMelb pretending antisemitism can NEVER hide behind "antizionism" is fucking braindead. If you're attacking Jews as Jews using antisemitic tropes or holding Jews collectively responsible for Israel, changing the label doesn't sanitize it

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@ChrisFitzMelb Far right extremists holding a conference in Jerusalem doesn't magically prove the UK Greens can't have racist policies "But look at these other assholes!" isn't a fucking defense right chris?

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@ChrisFitzMelb Ben Gvir is a far right politician not the fucking definition of Zionism By this genius logic, every ideology and country is defined by its worst extremist politician. Condemn his policies all you want. One asshole doesn’t prove millions of Zionists are racist

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@ChrisFitzMelb @cookybottt @joperec @StochasticStat1 @samhaselby You went from “the founders explicitly intended this” to “well look what happened" That’s not proof
That’s you retreating from your own claim

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@ChrisFitzMelb @cookybottt @joperec @StochasticStat1 @samhaselby “It didn’t happen by accident” isn’t evidence of the specific master plan you claimed mate

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@ChrisFitzMelb @cookybottt @joperec @StochasticStat1 @samhaselby Zionist leaders discussed Arab transfer That’s documented What you haven’t proved is that Zionism’s founders adopted some unified master plan to expel Palestinians. Those are not the same claim

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@ChrisFitzMelb @cookybottt @joperec @StochasticStat1 @samhaselby You're changing the claim again "Palestinians were displaced in some land purchases" is not proof that Zionist immigration itself was designed to replace Palestinians. And buying land legally isn't magically "literal colonialism" because you dislike who bought it. Youre stupid