@MJKelleyII Falacies in this post include: false equivalence, strawman, question begging, and selective history.....also just flat out incorrect information on what Paul corrected Peter on.
@MJKelleyII Paul didn't correct “Peter’s false teachings.” This is a public rebuke of personal inconsistency and fear-driven hypocrisy in practice, not a correction of doctrinal error that Peter was teaching.
@Faith_Not_Fear_@JohnMB69 3) So the question isn’t “what scripture says all branches are born again?”
The real question is: what scripture allows you to redefine “in me” as “never actually in me”?
@Faith_Not_Fear_@JohnMB69 2) Your view requires the text to mean the opposite of what it says: that these people were never truly in Christ, even though Jesus explicitly says they are “in me” and then get removed.
@Faith_Not_Fear_@JohnMB69 1) "Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away" He calls them branches in Him. Not “professors who were never in Him.” Not “false converts who only looked attached.” Branches that are actually in the vine.
@Samuel43750453 This is a false dilemma. Acting as if a title cannot be both Christological and Marian. It is both, because the Person she bore is God. And again what church teaching teaches that Mary is a Goddess. Your argument is nothing but a logical fallacy.
@Samuel43750453 I do every Sunday, I've not been to a Catholic Church that denies it, and I attend many different parishes due to travel. This is another straw man.
@Faith_Not_Fear_@JohnMB69 You said they were never saved. The text calls them branches in the vine that get removed. If they were never truly attached, the warning is meaningless.
If they were attached, then “never saved” doesn’t hold. Pick one.
@Faith_Not_Fear_@JohnMB69 If it was never truly attached, why does the text treat it as a real branch that can be removed? That empties the warning of meaning.