@NathanNobis It is quite literally linked in both replies...
He is completely uninformed about the neuroscience of pain, and I provided multiple examples of this
@RokoMijic@ctjlewis a fire is a terrible analogy here, because fires have no will. SI has no special interest in earth, and it would be comparatively trivial to leave us alone. 1/10^25 of the matter of the lightcone. So SI only needs to value us 1/10^25 as much as its primary goal to leave us alone
@NathanNobis and this is a pattern with him, you'll notice he NEVER mentions the critique in any of his posts, and immediately stops engaging with the argument the moment someone informed brings it up. If he is able to respond to it, how come he has never done so?
@NathanNobis You don’t need to know who he is, the point is that he is a critic, whose critiques against Bentham’s viewpoints are strong, and instead of engaging with the critique, Bentham’s lies about it and ignores it. Extremely lack of epistemic virtue
@flowersslop b is absolutely not correct. Wild animal existence cannot be described as “flourishing” and they exist in a state of torment and face agonizing death. There is a reason humans escaped natural existence as fast as possible. b throws away all future goodness for unending torture
@NathanNobis but Dr. Avi says they never discussed this at all, and Bentham's is unable to even explain what his view is, and lies about having responded to it in one of his posts
@NathanNobis Here's two examples where he just stops responding as soon as any substantive criticism is levied:
https://t.co/SfSr6iz9Ga
https://t.co/jApEEd3gAw
By the way, in the second thread he is just straight up lying. He claims he discussed it with Dr. Avi "at length"
@Benthamsbulldog@epiplexity It does seem like a lack of seriousness when you are unwilling or unable to substantively respond to strong critics like Dr. Avi... or really even mention some of their counterarguments...
@justalexoki What an disgust opinion. Your view entails that if it turned out that for some reason certain people suddenly stopped being classified as "human" on your view, despite nothing else about them changing, you would now justify all moral atrocity towards them
Just in case it needs to be said: You do not need to be an Effective Altruist or buy into Rethinking Priorities, or anything adjacent to that movement in order to understand that factory farming is one of, if not the most profoundly evil things humanity has done and must end.
@corsaren No, this is retarded. Insects as a class DO NOT suffer more, and this entire problem is caused by being extremely confused by empirics and taking Bentham’s intellectually lazy slop at face value.
@tracewoodgrains@teortaxesTex I don't think he is honest at all, because he refuses to engage with serious criticism or mention it. Extremely awful representation of effective altruism
@JimDMiller This doesn't follow. Imagine the total suffering of all the shrimp in the world was equal to one human pinprick conditional on pain/sentience... This completely misses prioritization. We should require some level of empirical support before prioritizing a cause...
Let me give you a basic education on Islam.
I will not insult you, despite you not only eating pork, drinking alcohol, and committing takfir on thousands on your stream, but also demanding that Allah send me and my Duel colleagues to burn in Hell for eternity.
This is not Islam. You can take a page out of Christ's book and be better than this.
You argue that zero edge gambling (which only Duel provides) is haram because gambling is haram. By your logic, all forms of investing would also be haram. Investing in stocks, trading, buying property, or investing in people's businesses. At face value this could not be true, so let's actually examine the scriptures you failed to ever read.
First is the principle of Mutual Consent (4:29 in the Quran), which states "Do not consume one another's wealth for nothing, but let there be trade by mutual consent." Zero edge gambling is a trade being made entirely with mutual consent for both parties.
"Gain goes with liability for loss" (al-ghunm bi-l-ghurm, Majallah art. 87) is the clear provision proving that taking risks is absolutely allowed in the Quran. It is through this underlying principle that Muslims are able to invest and take risk. What is not permitted is taking destructive risk, like gambling at casinos other than Duel, which have a house edge and thus a negative expected value on your money.
This is widely accepted by scholars. Without accepting this provision, you are calling every Islamic stock investor a kaffir. Every Islamic entrepreneur a kaffir. We both know that risk does not equal haram.
"No harm, and no reciprocating harm" (Ibn Mājah 2341). "Matters are judged by their aims" (Majallah art. 2; Bukhārī 1) are further principles from the Prophet outlining that when entertainment and recreation arise from the activity, the harms the laws guard against simply never arise. Recreation is Sunnah, and harm is the test. You wouldn't know this, but the Prophet raced young Aisha and let her watch the Abyssinians play in the mosque, as a form of entertainment and recreation. That was considered value to him.
I could get into several further scriptures and examples, such as the Hanafis already allowing two sided race bets once a third rider with 0 stakes is added (very similar to what Duel already provides with the audit server system), but it's been well accepted by any reasonable Islamic scholar taking a full assessment of the situation that zero edge gambling, and only zero edge specifically, as is available on Duel, is completely halal.
To explain it more simply so that someone of your caliber can understand: the Quran banned gambling as a practice because it bred hatred and ate wealth for nothing. A risk-taking activity without the expected downside, zero house edge, with mutual consent, fairly capped at 50/50, and purchased for enjoyment (thus making the expected value positive), does neither. Even you probably know "the default in all things is permissibility" (al-aṣl fī al-ashyāʾ al-ibāḥah, al-Suyūṭī, al-Ashbāh wa-l-Naẓāʾir) rule...
My fatwa is grounded in actual scripture and Islamic text. You on the other hand constantly make a fool of yourself by never knowing even the basics of "your" religion.
Instead of working with the angels and spreading love (which you could do with your platform), you constantly commit haram activities. You invoke Allah's name to condemn our people at Duel to hell. Constantly. You call Muslims kaffirs, which is a worse Islamic sin than anything we have ever done. You posted a video depicting a man putting up a flag of Islamic terrorism and deleted it shortly afterward. You have been insulting White Christians non stop, making fun of Christianity, and asserting that Islam will impose itself in every household forcibly.
None of this is peace or love. None of this is what Allah wanted (and we worship the same God, just with different names). Educate yourself.
@pvncher@viticci what about context pollution? One of the reasons you'd want subagents is a separation of concerns and not to pollute the main agent's context with details it doesn't need
Artificial intelligence is a VERY WEAK name. AI researchers came up to me, tears streaming down their eyes, saying "Sir, please all it EXTREME INTELLIGENCE." EI. Very powerful.
Many people think that the words “Artificial Intelligence” are inaccurate, and very ineloquent, relative to AI, or Artificial Intelligence. A far more elegant and accurate description of this new phenomena would be Superior Intelligence (SI) or, Extreme Intelligence (EI) or, Supreme Intelligence (SI). This is a Poll, and I would appreciate everybody voting! Which is the best name for this ever growing “Revolution?” President DONALD J. TRUMP
@geniusliberator@Benthamsbulldog ok, so? what does plausible mean. This is the EA bullshit I hate so much. "sentient" without any consideration as to the degree of sentience. It's meaningless. Even if some invertebrates are "plausibly" sentient(the vast majority aren't), that's not the point
@Benthamsbulldog@epiplexity Which post? I don’t see any sort of post which responds to any argument he might bring up like nociceptive fiber types, differences in neural structures like the cortex, only strawman who claim “neuron count”, when no serious person argues for raw neuron count.