The ending of chapter eighteen feels like an ominous ending. “we don’t need anyone.” (444) What is the significance of ending the chapter with this vague but intense dialogue rather than say, the image of the fire? #smce118
In chapter 18, idk if it is lagging or it is meant to be in slow motion. Is this to describe June’s current state and trying to elongate her last moments? (427) “A pass was booted down the field nearest…” #smce118
@poling_colin I agree, but i also think it pertains to the idea of memory. Fire is burning, which is erasing, which is forgetting? It feels like this scene pertains to memory in some way at least.
@aredenoebok06 I believe that is is misguided, as June is looking for ways to give life before her death. I’m her sickness she is trying to provide health, as well as thinking about how she will be remembered when she is gone.
We see June described in sickness, talking about hands again. What does this line mean pertaining to June’s character, sickness, as well as the motif of hands? “… plunge her hand into the large cast-iron vat of rice porridge…” (419) #smce118
what is the significance of the beginning of chapter 15? It seems to start from June’s perspective, and continues to pertaining her being sick… is this the arc of her character now? #smc118
What is the significance of Hector analyzing his appearance in chapter 14? #smce118 pg. 346 The ending of the scene suggests it’s more metaphorical- “Hector couldn’t see much of himself there…”
The beginning of chapter 14 has a scene with June getting out of the bath. Why is this even relevant? Is it further proof that the male author author sexualizes women? Or is it to show how sick June is? #smce118 Pg. 336 “after a quick bath. …”
@poling_colin I don’t think it was ethical at all, the letters, every since chapter one, have been the sole reason (besides money) that the relationship between June and Nick exist.
@ryanc_smc I agree with that last statement, i think it ties back to our conversation in class about each character having very specific yet vague goals for their future, and that’s why we were able to confuse them for each other in our activity.
What is the significance of June and Sylvie’s relationship, specifically at the beg. of the reading for Ch13? (324) Is it a statement on age? is it a statement on relationships with men? or is it much more simple than that? #smce118
Why does the author choose to depict June in a very vulnerable state when around Dora in ch. 11? (291, bottom paragraph) ending with “so let me lie down.” #smce118
what is the significance in the change of tone in the interaction from June and Clines at the beg. of Ch. 11 versus when they first had their meetings? “Clones somehow saw this and caught her arm…” (283) their interactions are much more personable. #smce118
@JamesC82826182 This brought me back to the point of “June from the war” stated by Hector in an early chapter. It seems as if he is in the mindset that everyone and everything from a harmful time/event cannot and will not change…
@aredenoebok06 I think it has something to do with the surrendering each character has to do with something at some point in life. An example that comes to mind is illness concerning June, and for Nick, and abandoning of family and conscious.
@TopherCosta2 I think it could be a surrendering of memory of some sort. This also brought to my attention the very small detailed events in the novel, such as the romantic scene on 216.
What does the role of the officer represent in this reading? They are often unnamed in dialogue and present when there are violent acts. For example, the scene on pg. 209… #smce118
On page 209, the scene that mainly includes Betty, Harris, and Francis, is very violent. But when the scene turns to Betty falling, she is immediately sexualized. “…she fell her skirt rode up her legs, revealing the soft jut of her backside…” Why does this occur? #smce118
How does this reading further manifest the quote of “war is a stern teacher”? Do the aspects of Ben and Sylvies relationship have anything to do with it? I’m wondering about the personal aspects of war affecting the lives of characters rather than the outright violence. #smce118
@IsabellaWynn13@AlkireIngrid I agree. I think that a lot of the novels that have war time violence include this type of desensitization. I think it is a further manifesto on of “war is a stern teacher.” War is a teacher that utilizes traumatic events forever.