Ben Adler

I only know (what I know now)

[Ben Adler @itsbadler]

@Cam_Oflage @TLiterarian You must be victimized in a way that was completely predictable and preventable by the state. Only when enough people are victimized in this fashion will democracy do the work it is intended to do - to make positive change on the public's behalf

[Ben Adler @itsbadler]

@Cam_Oflage @TLiterarian It's no metric! I genuinely hope that for you. I hope you learn, in a visceral embodied intuitive way, why people are desirous of visible public order. You understand it intellectually but you don't seem to value it yet.

[Ben Adler @itsbadler]

@Cam_Oflage @TLiterarian Not true. Streets and public transportation are the blood vessels of our cities. They are vitally important and receive a huge amount of foot traffic

[Ben Adler @itsbadler]

@Cam_Oflage @TLiterarian I hope you learn about the world half as harshly as I have

[Ben Adler @itsbadler]

@Cam_Oflage @TLiterarian And yes, that's despite the rarity of shark attacks. Because sharks in the pool make the pool unusable.

[Ben Adler @itsbadler]

@Cam_Oflage @TLiterarian I would take the sharks out of our public pools so as to reduce human shark interactions, if that's what you're asking.

[Ben Adler @itsbadler]

@Cam_Oflage @TLiterarian I wish you all the actual wellbeing you desire in life. I have learned a lot tonight. I hope you have too. Cheers

[Ben Adler @itsbadler]

@Cam_Oflage @TLiterarian And don't you dare tell me that the statistics show my fear to be unjustified...

[Ben Adler @itsbadler]

@Cam_Oflage @TLiterarian Well my "actual wellbeing" has been severely affected by erratic violent people on the NYC subway. My worldviews are shaped by my life experiences, to say the least. A hell of a lot of people agree with me about sharing public space with the erratic for constant fear of violence.

[Ben Adler @itsbadler]

@Cam_Oflage @TLiterarian You had better start practicing some empathy for the capable

[Ben Adler @itsbadler]

@Cam_Oflage @TLiterarian I think you advocate for an ineffective, unregulated, and often unethical form of recovery treatment (absolutely nonintervening harm reduction) mainly bc it achieves a similar result, on your end, as anarchy

[Ben Adler @itsbadler]

@Cam_Oflage @TLiterarian We, too, have concerns about what you advocate for in stead of arresting and jailing. To the ballot box!

[Ben Adler @itsbadler]

@Cam_Oflage @TLiterarian So what if that's the case? I am arguing about the specifics of care because I don't want to see these people completely discarded, but yes I consider preventing erraticism the primary goal of removal here

[Ben Adler @itsbadler]

@Cam_Oflage @TLiterarian But many of those monitored behave erratically in public. Are you willing to afford any value whatsoever to the concerns of people who would rather see them in more acutely supervised care settings? "Hey this guy is scaring my kids" is like the fundamental interposition of state.

[Ben Adler @itsbadler]

@Cam_Oflage @TLiterarian It's not a pretext at all, I genuinely believe that recovery treatment is morally preferable to arresting and jailing them. But yes, that conversation only comes after an admission that removal can be justified and the duty of the state if voted for

[Ben Adler @itsbadler]

@Cam_Oflage @TLiterarian I believe that the erratic behavior is entrenched already, in most cases, by the time a person ends up chronically street homeless. Involuntary care is thus already justified in most such cases, because the state should have dual goals both to care and to prevent erratic behavior

[Ben Adler @itsbadler]

@Cam_Oflage @TLiterarian Why do you frame the wellbeing of the erratic as the "actual issue"? The entire premise of our conversation was how street homelessness poses a different kind of political problem than do other types of homelessness, because of the effect erratic behavior has on public life

[Ben Adler @itsbadler]

@Cam_Oflage @TLiterarian Yep. That is why democracy produces coherent states which last 250 years. It is desirable, and I valorize it as an American.

[Ben Adler @itsbadler]

@Cam_Oflage @TLiterarian To build, but I'm not certain that asylums aren't more feasible to maintain. Those public housing units have an absolutely horrendous track record when it comes to quality of life, maintenance, safety, and ultimately the building's long term ability to house

[Ben Adler @itsbadler]

@Cam_Oflage @TLiterarian That is by design, so that hostile minorities cannot take over public life without public support